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Old 01-21-03, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just wondering

I was just wondering if I could get a quick lesson on tree dwelling snakes along with a breeding question

1st What are some of the tree dwelling snakes for example:
Emerald Tree Boa, Green tree python, ATB? others?

Which ones are the most saught after and why
Which ones are the most handleable
Any additional comments?

2nd Can all boa species breed with each other for example:
BCC/BCI? BCC/BRB and if so why dont you hear much about these "mutts"

Does the same rule for above work for pythons?

It seems to me it should work, after all a pitbull can breed with a poodle?


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P.S imagine the possibilities Now thats another thread!
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Old 01-21-03, 09:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey Brian

sorry this isn't really gonna answer your question I dont know exactly what species can breed with what but I do know they are called hybrids and from previous posts I've read on here alot of people turn there nose up to such snakes

again sorry i didn't really answer your question

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I'm kind of interested in the subject myself - although I think I'll smile and look at the pictures for a while... ^^ for one, I don't think I'm ready for one, and two , my father will never allow it. :P
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Old 01-21-03, 09:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hmm,

Not that I am going to create any hybirds, but if it was not for them I wouldent have my dog ...which is a newer breed called a Bandogge created by a pitbull and neopolitian Mastiff cross (Awsome)

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I dont think the snakes would be able to breed togehter, all dogs were selective bred from wolves, and are pretty much exacttly the same in genetics. Under a microscope a great dane is exactly the same as a chihuahua. Then you could get into horses/donkeys which is possible, but the resulting offspring (mules) are all sterile.
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Brian, Emeralds have been bred with Amazons and the offspring are incredible! Alot of people dont beleive in hybrids, but i am totally for them if done in captivity and done properly. Another arboreal hybrid is the "Carpondro" which is a Jungle Carpet Python bred with a Green Tree Python. The latter being one of my favorite hybrids. If someone is going to keep hybrids then they should not be bred back into a pure bloodline, hybrid owners should respect the creation in which they are keeping and show enough respect not to faulty up pure bloodlines for the sake of making a few dollars. But hybrids sold as hybrids are a ok with me! I mean realisticly, it is hard enough to get something imported into the country, let alone get a hybrid exported back into the wild.. IMO.
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hey brian.
justa cpl of thoughts, firstly i believe that as herp keepers / breeders we have a responsibilty to protect what is left of pure bloodlines.
boa constrictors are in such a mess and have been for a long time. some ppl say its ok to breed a colombian with a mexican. me, well i'd have to say no, y do it? alot of the time its because pl cant get a true pair of locales, so they go with what they can get.. hogg island boas seem to be the exception, at the moment it is probably one of the only true subspecies left, even though it is still lumped with the imperators.
as for the arboreal snakes green trees seem to be the "easiest" to handle. all are great to keep and hopefully breed, in some ways i think jeff has a valid point, but unfortunatly so mant ppl dont give a sh*t if they sell a true species or a hybrid. whats the point in breeding a burm with a retic? or a corn with a king? so what if it may (very rarely) happen once in a million in the wild. the way the world is going that in only a few generations, the only wild animals, including snakes, will be in captivity.
flash foward a few hundred years.............there yet?............................."this is a boa, or it used to be.
weird and stupid, but it may happen.
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I'm not sure I quite follow all of Paul's rambling above...but I too am against breeding hybrids. Keep the bloodline true!

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Thanks ppl,

Not to be to persistant but...
I was actually more interested in the first part of the question

I was just wondering if I could get a quick lesson on tree dwelling snakes
1st What are some of the tree dwelling snakes for example:
Emerald Tree Boa, Green tree python, ATB? others?
Which ones are the most saught after and why
Which ones are the most handleable
Any additional comments?

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all 3 arboreal snakes are fairly widespread in captivity. etbs and gtps are the most sought after, i think because of their truly unique place amonst the snakes. atbs are common and in alot of cases less striking (in appearence, not temperament) than the other 2. like i said earlier gtps seem to be the easiest to handle after some gentle interaction. but young ones can be a real pain to get feeding. as for the difference in prices, its alot harder to breed gtp and etb than it is to breed atb. also it's just that not many ppl want a sometimes ugly, nasty snake in their collection. but when its as beautiful as a gtp or etb then u really dont mind the bite as much (i know i dont!)

so zoulous, what dont u follow about my post?
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Thanks Paul,

Can you elaborate on any other tree dwelling snakes like that crapet python, I am kinda thinking long term next purchase of an abororial species

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not all carpet pythons are that arboreal, jungles seem to like it more, other than that u got a very few adult boids that will utilise a brach to hang out on. give me a minute and i'll think of some more!
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ps there are a few sth american and asin ratsnake that are arboreal, but thei not that available
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Hey Brian

I just traded off my female coastal but when i had her both the male and female spent alot of time on there branches. I find my male is either in his tree or in his water.
Ive heard some of them are nasty but mine are great.
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There are Cook's tree boas as well. http://www.corallus.com/cookii/

They are not as striking as ETBs and GTPs but still quite lovely. I don't know much about their temperaments, though. I've only ever seen one and it was very badly burned by a heat lamp and totally inactive.
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hey paul,
have you ever seen a borneo bat eater they are beautiful looking snakes(burm reticX) theres a pic on the N.E.R.D.site wow!!
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