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Old 04-16-02, 06:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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URGENT March and April Reptiles Magazine issues....very long

On page 8 (March issue) an article begins about the HSUS (Humane society of the United States) calling for a ban on the sale of all reptiles, the keeping of all reptiles as pets and so on and so forth. All reptiles!!! What are they thinking, trying to force the US government on all levels (state, federal, municipal) into a ban on keeping reptiles as pets, which would ban valid business that in turn keep a booming sector of the pet trade alive with their biggest reasons being salmonella (c'mon.....we all know you can get that from KFC and McDonald's) damage to wild populations due to overcollecting (conservation through captive breeding would not be possible if there were a total ban on imports {thanks to the likes of Unkie Roy, Ken Taylor, Corey Woods and others for showing me the light on that topic), exotic disease (being a somewhat valid claim, however if we don't know about these diseases wouldn't it be a great opportunity to learn about them, and then treat and prevent them?). In my humble opinion, it sounds to me like they're no better than terrorists, dictators forcing their personal opinions down american citizens throats.
In April's issue on page 16 at the bottom of the page starts another article based on the same topic. The Humane Society of the United States has called for a BAN ON ALL REPTILES!!! So they'll dictate what americans can and can't keep as pets, or base their business on, or base their educations on, etc. etc. and the list goes on. I'd put everything I own on the table that this wouldn't be happening if everyone kept dogs and cats. Speaking of which, if they succeed, where do they draw the line?
My biggest concern, being the quiet ones of the north, is what does this mean to Canadians? On more than one occasion the Canadian government has followed laws put forth by the U.S. senate, could this be a possibilty for Canadians? (The U.S. government has not yet made any decisions to my knowledge, however if they vote in favor of HSUS what will this mean to Canadians?) I realize I may be redundant in my statements but this topic has haunted me since I first laid eyes on it.
Education is a major key to stop ignorance, however, we all know that ignorance can never truly be erradicated, just as i'm sure there's at least one racist on the board of education, there's got to be an Ophidiophobe (one who is afraid of snakes), or Herpetophobe (one who is afraid of reptiles) sitting in one of our federal government cushy chairs as I write this. This bothers me to the ends of the globe and back. Somehow, we as keepers of reptiles, herpetologists, zoo-ologists (sp?) etc. have to fight even harder with more passion than ever to prevent this from being a reality in Canada and even the United States for that matter.
For those of you who don't read the magazine there's a few online links that Reptiles Magazine had the courtesy to provide in their wonderfull literary works (which, as we all know wouldn't be here, and thank god it is!).

HSUS can be contacted here at the below address, keep in mind that keeping a level head is the only way these people will give any thought to what we have to say.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

Another groups opinion of HSUS can be found at the link below, this link states what i'm sure the majority of reptile enthusiats are thinking, especially after reading the above mentioned articles.
http://pages.infinit.com/paww/hsus2.html
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Old 04-17-02, 01:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess nobody cares about our hobby?

Some people i've spoken to have said "Aww whatever, they try and do a lot of stuff to destroy the hobby, but haven't succeeded yet." The fact that this has been published in the most read magazine in this business/hobby/lifestyle forces me into a bit of a state of urgency. I can't believe nobody's replied, I would have thought this to be an important topic to all enthusiasts.
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How do you want me to reply? Ive made suggestions over the past and none have worked out. I'm all out of ideas You havent made any suggestions in your post. This subject has me scared as hell as mad like crazyfire! I'm all out of suggestions, Ive signed every pettition out there, and have urged as many people as I could find do as well. You just state in your post what has been known for quite some time. Me replying to something that I've replied to a hundred times over isnt going to make a difference. This situation has me so frustrated, but when I'm all out of ideas, what do I do? So what exactly are you looking for?
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Looking back at my post, I realize it sounds a tad harsh. I apologize if thats how it appears, I am just very frustrated. I hate not knowing what to do, and I'm the type of person who likes to try to fix things...
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Believe me I know what you mean......

It's all good Linds, I think I see where you're coming from.
My wife's purse was stolen last Friday from out of my car (the car was broken into), and we've been trying to notify people about her health card, and our kids health cards, her S.I.N. card, her license, and the provincial government is on strike so nobody can do a damn thing about it, which puts her without i.d. To top it all off her former employer (who she's visited twice this week) has stated her pay check wasn't at her former place of work for her to pick up, though she's told them she'd pick it up directly. I know all about not knowing what to do.

Back to the HSUS discussion---
Is there a world federation or association for reptiles/reptile keepers? If so, then wouldn't a founder/head honcho/big cheese from such an organization be able to play a valid role in putting HSUS in their place in front of a US hearing?

I was just hoping that someone (by reading my first post) would have some fresh new ideas, I'm worried about the effects this could potentially have on Canadian reptile enthusiasts. It's better to have people voicing opinions and thoughts than absolute silence.
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I blow steam outa my ears every time I read bull about how herps are treated and the myths surrounding them and peops trying to ban them and such...tom foolery. Peops think they're soooo far advanced and evolved. Yet continue to behave in ways that are reflections of the dark past. Unfortunately I don't think there is much that can be done to change societies views overnight. Educating peops.(especially the next generations) would change the future view of these animals and that is the goal we should strive for.
Herp shows, talks, t.v. programs, word of mouth(I've turned a few snake haters around), all of this helps too but I think it will take some time and diligent efforts to make enough of an impact on societies views as a whole.
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grrr....

This whole thing sucks. Do they really base their argument only on salmonella? How would that hold up at all?
I think it's more because they think that herps in general are dangerous...I personnally think that some restrictions (ie. licensing or something to show that they have the time/money/space) should be put on owning huge snakes, like retics, to keep people from buying them when they're small and then dumping them when they realize what they've gotten themselves into, unpopular as this view might be....
But banning herps altogether just because of the slim possibility of salmonella or the stupidity of a few people who don't look before they leap would be equivalent to banning dogs because they can transmit parasites/rabies or because people buy them and then realize the huge commitment required and dump them at the aspca...and I don't think the banning of dogs would go over well with anyone.
Not to mention that there are a lot of sickos out there that buy dogs for fighting (or just abuse them), and an uncontrolled, aggressive dog is much more dangerous to the public and it's keepers than even the crankiest retic. And if the humane society has evidence for the banning of any pet, it would be dogs and cats due to the huge numbers that are dumped everyday at shelters everywhere. But nobody would ever suggest that because doggies and kitties are cute and furry.

I hate it when ignorant people get up on their soapboxes and preach the evils of something they've never experienced.
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Honestly, if they are so worried about disease, accidents, and neglect..then they should ban cats and dogs before even considering reptiles or any other animals because there are far more incidences of attacks, neglect, and disease involving cats/dogs than herps by a long shot. I think that's ample arguement to throw the ban out, but the world doesnt seem to work on logic so...........
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