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Old 11-06-02, 06:56 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Ok, not to beat a dead horse...but here's an exerpt from an excellent Boa website:



As a result, it is becoming increasingly difficult to sell crossbred boas, as the demand for such animals is decreasing.

For instance, if you acquire a pair of crossbred Boa constrictor for the purpose of propagation, you must consider the possibility of being unable to sell the offspring later on. Many breeders in that situation then turn to pet stores. For that reason, you cannot be certain that they will take your animals even there. Crossbred boas pretty much fetch the lowest sales price of all boas and pythons anyways.

You may now ask yourself why we are talking about money. Very simple: As consulting authorities for the district councils in Bavaria, we are regularly consulted for inventory and facility evaluations. In our experience, it is ALWAYS the “cheap snakes” (please excuse this terminology; it is not regarding the quality, but the monetary value of the animal) that are kept in the worst of conditions. The majority of these snakes were purchased at pet stores for relatively little money. Because of the low purchase price, the buyer does not put a lot of considerations into the needs of the animals, going by the motto: “If that thing dies, there won’t be much money lost”.

We are by no means saying that all keepers of inexpensive boas and pythons keep their animals in bad conditions. It is simply a fact that all those poor creatures without a suitable enclosure, whose keeper had never even purchased a book to familiarize himself/herself with its husbandry requirements, were all “cheap snakes” (e.g. crossbred boas, ball pythons, Burmese pythons).

Therefore, if you give a litter of crossbred animals to a pet store, you can be certain that some of these poor creatures will not survive their first year of life due to the insufficient care by their future keeper. Would you like that? Again, the following sentence applies: “The responsibility of the breeder is often underestimated.”
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Gotta get in on it. Morphs are good and bad IMHO.
I like the different varietys of snakes and will probably sell everything I own in order to get an Albino brazilian rainbow boa when they are found/bred. But thats just me, I really fancy the albinos and think that albino brazilians are just going to be crazy looking

On the other hand I think morph madness is out of control. But then again, thats just me. Just because I don't want something doesn't mean that someone else doesn't. All though I would like to see some of the rainbow boa morphs come down in price, the risk and effort the breeders put into producing those snakes, very much like with ball pythons who have small clutches where prices are so high. There is an amount of respect that should be had. I'd still like a pair of albino ball pythons. I just can't afford them. To each their own. And best of luck to all those who breed.
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Ok, don't you know the rule Syst3m?? I get to have the last post here! Ha ha, JK man. I was wondering when you were gonna post.

And don't even get me STARTED on the albino BRB's!! My whole life is dedicated to those things if and when they exist!!
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And don't even get me STARTED on the albino BRB's!! My whole life is dedicated to those things if and when they exist!!

You know the regular BRB's are so pretty I never even considered the posibility of a morph.
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No kidding eh Lisa? Favorite snake, by far!!

Oh yeah, and since being bitten last week, your avatar freaks the he!! out of me everytime I see it out of the corner of my eye!! LOL!!
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Brazilians are what got me to keep snakes again. Your about the only person I know who is more excited then me about the possibility of a albino brazilian Jeff. Oh and sorry for ousting you from the last post.. again.

Uh oh... I think I have morph madness Jeff better put me to sleep before I get out of control
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Alright after spending my whole mornign reading this whole thread ..


Heres my oppinion .. hmm where to start ..

How about the cheap animals .. .. My cheapest snake is actually my rock.. I paid a little under 100$ for him?? Does that mean he will be neglected ...

NO - On the contrary this snake is by far MY FAVORITE OF ALL. Money has nothing to do with it .. A child who would own a expensive or cheap animal would care for it the same way.

ALTHOPUGH .. I do see you point .. Since we receive the typical Rescues as red eared sliders, iguanas, burms.. all the time, their cheap price tags simply increases their chances of a deplorable lifestyle..
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As for the whole Morph thing .. I LOVE MORPH .. A nicecalico retic .. WOW .. i wish i could offord it but its not a pet it is meant for an investment ..

All animals are derived by mutations .. thats how dversity happens .. the only problem with morphs is that generally in the wild many of these mutations would be selected agains and die off because of poor adaptability. Its survival fo the fittest and unfortunetly we are leaving the weaker survive.

But in the end here is the reason why I LOVE MORPHS .. because its almost garanteed to be a CB .. Wich in the end FOR ME - is all that matters.

I own one morph, and its a SNOW bull snake, actually a ready to breed pair of snow bulls .. I personally LOVE the idea of know I am one if the only ones in canada to own such snakes... (athough quite rampant in US) To me these are more of an investment then anything else.

Its nice to know that for once after putting so much money in my animals, I might have a chance to see some back ..
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on an other note .. lets say I succesfully breed a normal corn .. yeah .. do you think that it will pay for the money invested in them ..


I have probably spent around the 10 thousnad dollars in all my animals since I have started this hobby and might have about 3000 $ worth of snakes and enclosures to show for it ..

I might of sold mayby for 500$ worth of animals .. Did I make any money? Far from none but MORPHS are the answer .. Thats is a solution to actually making money in my oppion .. or mass breeding always works as well..

Anyway .. Just my thoughts on all of this .. I have tons more to say but Ill keep it for later

Ciao all

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I'd be interested in your snow bull offspring, let me know how that works out.
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Just a question Dom:


When was the last time you saw a rescue Blackhead python? Or perhaps a rescue Piebald Ball Python? What about an abandoned mite-phase Chondro? Or maybe an abused Kimberly Rock? No?

Now why do you think that is Dom?

Just curious...
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lol cause why would some one start neglecting such an animal when all they can do is sell it and make a fortune out of it .. whats ure point though Jeff? i agree with many points you've made .. it is unfortunate that low ends animals get neglected..

But many do find good homes.

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If ever i do succesfully breed them .. beleive me Ill let u know! I wish i wish i wish!

There lil beauties too ..
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Pines are great!! I wish I has some space for them. Verrryy impressive animals, good luck Dom!!


Yeah, it sucks that ANY animal gets neglected. I mean, just because it costs more, doesn't mean it worth more to the planet. Its a very bad world we live in. Heck, look how much people with the SAME passions and hobby can argue to the point of hating each other!! That's a crazy thought eh? Oh well.
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Don't Worry Jeff We still love you lol

(there bulls too .. lol almost the smae thing)
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