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Old 11-05-02, 02:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I've seen some of the more expensive snakes being mistreated, so the price of the snake doesn't garrantee that a snake will be treated right although you will probably be less likely to find a 10K snake being mistreated.

Personally I like most normals, and slight variations of normals better then a morph, so that's what we buy.
The reason you see morphs going for so much more then a normal is that the morph is rare.

It's like a coin, a double stamped coin doesn't look any better then a regular coin but it's worth a heck of alot more to a collector then a normal coin.

People collect things for different reasons, who cares why they collect as long as they take care of their collection properly.
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well i first started this thread, and i only once saw a reply about anything i'd written. unfortunatly this thread was hijacked by ppl talking about the monetry cost of animals. i only mentioned the prices due to the ridiculous ways that ppl are trying to outdo everyone else by paying top dollar for a rotten looking animal. what did my post have to do with the cost of "cheap" cornsnakes???if it wasn't for the cornsnake thousands of reptile keepers would never have been. just because they are easy to keep and breed means that alot of todays top breeders probably wouldn't be able to sell animals at all coz no-one would have an interest in the life cycle of snakes. why do ppl get bent out of shape when someone claims to be the first breeder of albino ball pythons in canada????? it's a ball python! just coz it cost a load more doesn't and should never mean it's more important than it's natural counterpart. ok so jeff, u've been in the snake thing since '91, so? i've been in the snake thing a hell of a lot longer but that doesnt give me the right to shootdown other ppls opinion, and after all this thread was just my opinion. if ppl r stupid enough (In my opinion) to by a sanke that looks like faeces to me then fair shout. waste ur money on a pet, see if i care. there is nothing wrong from profiting from breeding snakes. anyone breed snakes and give them away??????
last point (for tonight) bob clarke paid $150000 for a leaucistic ball python. y? bragging rights? perhaps we should be looking at why ppl want these mutants.
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ok what i meant in the previous post about jeff saying that the same person stating normals should be 16,000 and then stating that no snake shoudl be that much...what i meant was..
IF a snake had to be that much, the normals should be the 16,000 ones.
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well said lana.
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holy.. u people have ALOT to say about this..cant finish reading!
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well said lana.
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....

Not meaning to stray from the "Almighty Thread of Opinion", but if you care so little about what people buy/are interested in, why make a post on the topic in the first place?

Sorry, but my little brain can't comprehend the reason.

You still haven't answered my question about how the "true" Labrynth Pythons (whatever that is) in England were magically tainted in the zoo from ones 1000's of miles away in N. America that were outbred to Burms. 'Cause I found that fascinating.
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all i ever said was that the labyrinth pythons in the uk never bred, therefore not being able to reproduce progeny (babies) The guy in america had the same difficulty (problem) and bred them with a p.m bivitattus (burmese python), and after that the burmese genes became more and more reproduced.
i started this thread to voice an opinion, if u don't agree with that opinion, fair enough, you don't have to try and force ur opinions on the rest of us!
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Old 11-05-02, 09:12 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Magical Labrynth Pythons aside, the part I REALLY don't get is that you post here asking what the big deal was with color morphs, I then point out several reasons, and then you post back chastising me for expressing my opinion. And THEN, you say that you were just voicing your opinion. But that's exactly what I was doing!! Don't you see how hypocritical that is?? Its like the little kid that says his piece and then plugs his ears so that no one can retort what he said!

Wow! So much for debate. I thought it was going to be fun. Now its just lame. I guess I have to put in another 11 years of reptile husbandry until I can have an opinion.

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Everyone take a deep breath and relax! Jeff, your opinion is always appreciated.
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jeff u amaze me, u first started hypocrising in ur first post saying that the thought of a $20 snake sickens u, but then u state that if the snake costs, say, $5000 it would be better looked after. so what r u saying was ur first snake "worth" $5000?
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yeah right, jeff. i'm so deaf that i'm replying to u. easy tiger
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Ummm yeah. I can't really voice stuff if you're gonna read between the lines like that. If you read my piece carefully, all I said was that the mass-production of cheaper animals (corns was an example) didn't sit well with me. I didn't like the fact that a 5 year old could breed these things. I never said they were bad animals. I just said that I didn't like the assembly-line production of these animals whose monetary value has fallen below their intrinsic value. I don't see how you could possible muck that thought up, but you did.

No, my first snake wasn't $5,000. I don't even OWN a $5,000 snake. My first snake was a WC Texas Rat. That doesn't mean I support WC now!! I don't get your connection there? Unless you're trying to wonder out loud why I can get a cheap snake for MY first snake but that I don't like it when everyone else does. That's a tough "question", and I thank you for "asking" it. Truth is, I don't know. I don't like the mass production of animals that a monkey could breed. I don't know why and I'm not going to ponder why. I just do.

As for the original thread, well I think that's lost now. I think you were basically asking why everyone likes something that you don't and why do they make a big deal about it. Well, I really should have taken the post for what it was and not replied at all. Its like me asking why does everyone like Porsches, which in my opinion, are glorified VW Beetles? Its doesn't matter why they like them, they just do. Its my fault for replying to an obvious thread that was not a question (even though it was posted like one) and rather, an opinion. I've learned something and that a good thing.

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Morphs are great!! If you could afford them
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My problem with all this is that we are comparing normals (pet quality) and Morphs (Investment quality) animals when they are completely two different things.

Unless your bill gates or have Obsessive-compulsive disorder your not going to buy a $10,000 snake, so that your 8 year old has something for Show-n-tell.

The high priced snakes are primarily for the people that intend to breed. This is the main market for these animals.

If junior tells Dad that he wants a snake for christmas, or a person decides that now they can finally get the snake they always wanted, well this is were the market is for Normals or low cost morphs.

Both Normals and Morphs have their markets. If someone can afford and wants a 5000 dollar albino then heck go for it. However, the big thing that Morphs do is produce Hets and Possible Hets.

If someone loves snakes and really, really wants that albino but does not have the money, then they buy a het and some poss. hets and wow they can produce a high end animal.

Bottom line here is that the high end morphs and normals each have a market and serve a purpose.

Normals are afordable to the average herper, who may not wish to breed them.

Morphs attract the commerical/hobby breeders who refine and develop better husbandry techniques which adds to body of knowledge in Herperculture.

IMHO its a win-win situation.

As for the people that buy the low cost herps and abuse or neglect them, unfortunately this is almost a stupid thing to debate. You will find idoits and unprepared buyers everywhere. Cats, dogs, birds, snakes, kids,everything that exisits that depends (volintarily or involintarily) on humans is in a situation to be abused.

Society has tried to find a "Magic" cure for child abuse, basic human stupidity, ignorance, animal crulety and more and...you know what? THERE IS NO "MAGIC" cure.

So saying that by making all herps a thousand dollars will prevent abusive people from buying them...it wont. As long as human live on this planet, there will be creatures who are made to suffer, due to cruelity or ignorance, this is the unfortunate reality of life.

All we can do is educate people, maintain our collections properly and thank GOD for every RESCUE organization out there.

Anyway, I just hit a couple issues previously stated.

My 2 Cents.
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