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Old 08-19-04, 07:05 PM   #31 (permalink)
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but in my state were allowed to have anything thats not either illegle or protected
LMAF,
We have the same arrangement here; we can do whatever we want as long as it's not illegal. I suppose it's a universal thing.
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hehehe I guess where I live isnt the only place you have to obide by the law.
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... ACAT, for instance, will takes in cats, pay for medical costs (including surgery) and adopt out kitties. They don't euthanize, either.........If the pounds are full it's your mother's responsibility to make sure the kitties have homes. It's not right to dump them, and I can't believe she would even consider it. It's also against the law.
Both of these options are part of the problem. Although they [ACAT and many other institutions] are doing a good service of providing an unwanted animal a home, it lets the problem continue to escalate by allowing the problem species to continue to exist. Letting them free and dumping them because a person is at a loss of responsibility is not only horrible, it also allows the problem to continue as well.

It is understandable how this thread and general topic can hurt those in herpetoculture, but the "cat and doggie" world ainít any better. It is pretty sad to think that it is just fine and dandy to keep allowing a species that has gone as far as it has in the world to keep being the resulting issue in these and many other kinds of problems. It would be nice to have mandatory euthanization in cases like this. There are literally enough animals as is for the public to take in, and if folks were truly animal lovers maybe they would see this as true. Instead, folks do not wanna deal with this reality, and pretend it does not concern them.

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I really don't see what people are creating a stink about... if the "mammal keepers" kept their cats under control we "snake-keepers" wouldn't even be considering this. I know it looks bad for the herp community (even though it really shouldn't) so I'll shut up now... =)
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Old 08-20-04, 12:23 AM   #34 (permalink)
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So when an orphaned child is found on the street we should euthanize it? I mean there are WAY more humans then there are domesticated cats and to tell you the truth we are much more of a problem than cats are. the piss people off but we destroy hundreds of thousands of acres a year for agriculture and comercial use so I would have to say that we are the bigger problem. I myself try to use my bike and/or walk whenever I can but thats just my 2 cents.
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Hey, I think we should just start feeding orphaned children, heck how about homeless people too to our pet snakes. I should start a stupid thread about that to get everyone riled up.
Or how about we feed our snakes to the homeless and hungry? Is that a good one?
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Old 08-20-04, 01:12 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Okay, since people are getting rude and stupid, enough with the double standards.

You own reptiles. You feed them animals that other people consider pets. Yet when someone mentions feeding off the offspring of a more "popular" type of pet a number of you jump down his throat and start spouting holier-than-thou statements about how they can adopt them out, etc. etc.

Animal control services are *overflowing* with abandoned animals. If you're so concerned about the welfare of some unwanted kittens, get your lazy, mouthy, righteous asses down there to volunteer or bring in their overflow animals to care for in your own home.

As it should be so obvious to people, this is a reptile site. When someone who doesn't keep snakes freaks out about people feeding rats to them, people are quick to defend it.

Why? Are rats not cute enough for you? Does an animal have to fit within a scale of fuzzy-cuteness to justify it's value as pet or feed item?

It was damn hard for me to kill the first few mice and rats for my snakes, but I did it. Because I wanted to minimize the suffering of the animals as much as possible.

I find Beau's stance to be completely reasonable. Cats are a species second only to man in their destructive impact on the environment, due in part to our domestication and neglect of them. It doesn't mean they should all be killed, but neither should they continue to flood the streets and shelters simply because some bleeding hearts say it's "wrong" to use the offspring as feed animals, or euthanize them to be used in feeding products.

We are animals who use other animals selfishly. Whether it is for food, companionship, or entertainment. Few people are genuinely altruistic in this sense. Moral selectivity does not grant anyone moral high ground.
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Which is exactly what I was saying cat may do damage but they do damage to the stuff that we put up that CAUSES damage
just a thought
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Well put!!
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We are animals who use other animals selfishly. Whether it is for food, companionship, or entertainment. Few people are genuinely altruistic in this sense. Moral selectivity does not grant anyone moral high ground.
So the morals we North Americans grew up with say that eating cat, dog, or even snake is taboo. Due to that it is not part of the norm of our society. But invite a Hindu to a BBQ and try to serve them some fresh steaks or big juicy hamburger. I donít think they would appreciate it that much. Cows are sacred in their religion. But beef is part of the average North American diet. Canada raised and slaughtered over 2.9 million cattle in 2003 alone. But offer us dog meat, as is served in some South Korean restaurants, most would people would be sick at the thought eating dog. I was told by an immigrant to Canada that dog meat is a bit tough, but pretty tasty. Yes I would try it if it were offered to me. And yes I have had pet dogs growing up.

I have read a few articles about odd (to us) Asian cuisine. Not the San Francisco deep fried stuff that we all know of, authentic Asian dishes. They do serve up cats, rats, and among many other things, a very unique snake soup. Essentially, the only part of the snake used in the soup was the bile from the gall bladder. I personally donít find that appetizing, but I may try it. Why wouldnít I?

Here is an interesting article that will boil the blood in a lot of you.

My point is you canít determine one type of animal is not a source of food for another, just because it goes against norm in our culture. Every living organism is fuel for many other living organisms. The old adage is a bit wrong. It should be ďEat, until you are eaten.Ē and we are no exception.
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and with that said all of you can EAT ME lol just joking seemed like the right ful place for that.....maybe?.....sorta?......was funny right?.....ummmm i gotta go.............lol
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I seen documentary on incarcerated cannibals. One such inmate admitted that that roasted human flesh tasted a lot like roast pork. I had roast pork two nights ago and sure loved it.

It is something to keep in mind when you and someone else are stranded with not food, and you happen to have an oven handy.
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