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Old 10-09-02, 01:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Caution DANGEROUS DOG!!!!

Well the powers that be have passed the law here in Edmonton. As of December 27th, this is now a DANGEROUS DOG! and is restricted. We have to get $500,000 liability insurance and she must be muzzled at all times and on a leash. She's not even allowed in the back yard unless muzzled and leashed!
But it's clear that she is dangerous, as you can tell by the pic!
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Old 10-09-02, 02:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's just not right...there should be a protest or something.

At the very least they should not impose this on anyone who already owns a so called "dangerous" dog.

The one time I've met this dog she was very friendly. They should muzzle those little yappy dogs instead.
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Your dog looks real sweet and I'm sure she's quite nice but I admit I have mixed feelings about this breed. I've known some very nice ones and well behaved but I've also known some pretty nasty ones.

I can somewhat understand the muzzle law in public but I don't think it's fair to impose it in your very own backyard, that's private property and you and your dog should be able to roam that space freely.

What's your dog's name? She is one of the cutest I've seen

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Old 10-09-02, 02:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That's BullSh*t. Im really sorry that you have to go through all that. There is no excuse. Your dog acts the way its trained. Its the people that raise their dogs for fights that give the rest of the community bad names. A muzzle in your own yard? Not to mention the leash. Your dog deserves to be able to Run in its OWN yard. I can understand a leash in the park, but your OWN yard? That's crazy.!!! I know how you feel though, my neighbour called the city etc on us for our dog having the run of the yard, she complained that her kids were afraid of the dog and he barked at night when we had him out. We live in the country and 9/10 times he was barking at Coyotes.. And when she complained about her kids being afraid of him, he was 4 months old. You know how scary a 4 month old Chocolate Lab can be huh???
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Do you not fall under a grandfather clause? If you get to your City Hall they will likely grant you permision to keep her in the same manner that you do now. I have one now and the bylaws here are being rewritten as well. Hopefully Ottawa will not follow suit and enforce such unnecessary restrictions.

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That sucks, what a crap law that is. Obviously someone in your area who helped pass the bill knows nothing about Dog breeds or theyre relation to their training.....whats next?....de-claw your cats cause they may scratch someones eyes out when loose? What a sad day. Beautiful Pup by the way!
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Sorry to hear this Damien.Your dog is more behaved than most peoples kids.Yours is one sweet dog.hope you can find some way around the crazy law.If not,move to Leduc or ST.Albert(lol)


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I have mixed feelings on this, ....
Although i have 2 pits, i have witnessed first hand what these dogs can do.
Even my 4 month old female has shown increasing aggression, as well as different styles of playing then what most other dogs play like at that age. Which eventually allienates her in the park from the others, and out the window goes my chances of properly socializing her.

This begins the problem.
If i cant let my dog interact with other dogs, and if ppl are too scared to come up to pet her, then how will she ever get socialized to be around dogs and ppl and deal with certain situations in society.

Not all pits are bad, nor are all good.
But a substantial amount of them are not ur regular lab, and whether nice or not, each and everyone has an increased chance of doing severe damage compared to most other breeds.

The mean pits far outway the good pits in Canada, so there really isn't enough substantial evidence to use to fight a law like this.
The last thing i would want to do is have my dog on a leash and muzzle 24/7, but by conforming to this, in a sense, you are giving in, but u are also taking the issue off the table and can thank god they are not banning the breed, something which they very well could do if pit aggressiveness continues to escalate.

Which, if i may add, i do think pit aggressiveness will escalate and they will be banned sonner then later.
And i am dreadding the day, but there isn't enough responsible owners to take charge. Or is there???

If there was an organization i could join or help establish in Canada, i would devote as much time as i could to it.
But i have heard of none. at least not locally. and do not have the time myself to start one.

Although not a law in ontario yet, i have pondered on the idea of starting my dogs on muzzles. i have also been decreasing the amount of time in the park, and keeping them active using otherways.
These dogs are definately great dogs, however, there are strict conditions that an environment must have for these guys to grow up properly. And i have found it increasingly harder in an urban city to keep these guys and get them the type of stimulis they need to get past there genetic past.

And for those ppl who say genetics doesn't play a big role on the aggressiveness in this breed, ur dreaming.
However, there are some pits that seem to have been passed down from heaven, and beat any Lab or good ol'e mutt intellectually, obedience, gentleness, etc...

I am also a firm believer that the owner has alot to do with the way a pit turns out, however, these dogs have instincts embedded in them that is very very hard to deter. And even the most established trainer cannot always work a pit.

And me as a owner, do my best to train and socialize these dogs, but i find it extremely hard in some aspects, but again I can only do my best. And i would not give up my dogs, under any circumstance.
Unless i felt they were becomming a real threat to society.

Damien, This must be a really hard change for you, im sorry its happening over there, but i am sure i will feel the effects soon.
All u can do is educate those u come across and train and portray your dogs as a good breed.
But these guys had a rep before we got em, and will cotinue to have it far after we are gone.

My advice, .....Live for the moment. Cause no one can take THAT away.....

I'm gonna go snuggle up to my dogs and kiss em now, sorry for the long rant, hope ya made it...





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OH I have a beautiful staffy named Sasha. Unfortunately she didnt come from a good situation but she is the most lovable dog ever!
I believe that animals are what you make them to be.
Aggresion and bad behaviour can be controlled with patience and love.
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( oh yeah these laws suck but it is idiots that make it that way maybe $ should be spent on finding them! )
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Grant:

This agression that you talk about, have you ever seen it displayed towards a person? I have seen many pits that are agressive with other dogs, but am yet to run into one who is agressive towards people. I am even told that they make bad guard dogs because it is hard to train them to attack people. I do notice that my pit plays harder at the park than other dogs and hope that it always stays as play. How old are your pittys?
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Damien,
That's terrible! As Shane said, the person/s involved in obviously knows nothing. To have a dog muzzled even in a *controlled* situation, much less on *your* property is absolutely rediculous. Beautiful dog, it's a shame not everyone can see it that way. I hate how they are portayed that way. Even the stats speak differently, last year the highest number of dog attacks goes to no other than the Labrador Retriever, but I doubt we will see the day those are banned or have heavy restrictions placed on them.......

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I'm not so sure I agree with you in that the population of mean pits outweighs the nice ones. I've known so many people that own/breed these beautiful animals, none of them have ever had problems with their dogs. Some were rescued animals, some brought up in one type of environment with very irresponsible people, some that actually knew what they were doing - none had ever shown a single sign of agression. Sure animals all have their insticts, and need to be raised a certain way, but for surely I wouldve seen at least one out of the dozen I have seen had the percentage of mean ones outweigh the nice.......
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casacrow,

No, my pits do not show any aggressiveness to humans, just very strong, dominant aggression towards other dogs.

So walking down a busy street, and a dog passes by, all hell breaks lose, sometimes.
This being observed by all the passer by's , begins the negative views on these dogs.

The thing that really bugs me is that a lil fluff ball dog will be yappin away at mine, and no one will think anything of it.
then my dogs get mad and growl back, since mine do it much better and along with there build, makes ppl think negatively.

its an ongoing problem ive been having, and i do my best to avoid it, but sometimes its impossible.

these guys are fine in the home, and thats why there such family dogs, however, nuetered or not, many pits view the outside world in a totally different perspective then other dogs , and believe that the world is there territory.

One can take many steps to do there best in controlling there behaviour, but it is rare for a pit to be totally fine offleash in a park full of dogs once they have reached sexual maturity. neutered or not.

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OMG!! WHAT NEXT! PUT MUZZLES ON DANGEROUS SNAKES AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE ON A LEASE AT ALL TIMES!! GEEZZ!! WHAT CRACK HEADS!
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thats terrible
i read(yes i do read and not just look for pics) that in 1999 there were more dog bite related injuries on humans from cockerspaniels than rottwielers and pitbulls combined reported
it seems every few years they pick a new dog first it was the dobberman then the rottwieler now the pit bull.
next year i think we should make the pug the most viscious dog
anyways sorry to hear that damien
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Lance,

Heres some stats i have from a pit bull website....

1988: APBT ranked 9th w/9 per cent of bites
1989: APBT ranked 5th w/15 per cent
1990: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent
1991: APBT ranked 9th w/10 per cent
1992: APBT ranked 2nd w/20.4 per cent (w/cocker spaniel showing in 1st)
1993: APBT ranked 5th w/16 per cent

Some of the breeds which placed above the Pit Bull's were Dalmations, Chows, Labs, Goldens, Rotties, Dobermans, and the Cocker Spaniel.


If anyone would like to read further on this info, heres the link http://www.pitbullregistry.com/unfair_stigma.htm
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