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Old 10-09-02, 09:12 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I fully agree that there are other breeds that might bite people more than pitt bulls but when it comes to damage pitt bull in my opinion rank right up there.

The owner of such an animal is most responsible for the animal's behavior but we can't deny the breeding that went in to this breed either. They were bred to fight and withstand almost anything, to think that they would be cute, cuddly pooches with no other concern would be silly. I've met quite a few stupid people that get them to look tough and be cool. It is unfortunate that those people and they're dogs are the biggest representatives.

I for one have seen pitts agressive againts people and have myself stopped a dog fight that included a pitt. I was **** lucky that I didn't get harmed in the process and the owner was unbelievably stupid. I don't hold the breed per say at fault but how does one know how it was raised? How do I know it's raised by a responsible owner or an idiot??? I don't take my chances anymore as I was lucky enough the first time in a tough situation.

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i found out that the pits were BUILT to fight. they were put into pits and made to kill other dogs just to entertain some person. my ex-boyfriend was attacked by 2 of them and the results were quite nasty. but i don't hate these dogs or any for that matter and feel that it is stupid that they have such a law over them. i fully agree that it is the person who raises them that makes them aggressive or not. i think that the ppl creating these sorts of laws should find the aggrssive dogs and kill the ppl who made them like that...lol. anyways i just had to put in my 2 cents worth...i thikn that it is terrible what they are doing and your dog is obviously not a vicious human eater....and i hope that this settles all for the better....!!
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that sucks big time man......sorry to hear
stupid people wreck it for the rest of us
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Linds,

I should have clarified myself.....or maybe i should have worded it differently....

I didn't mean it neccesarily as towards humans....
Most pits, unless totally screwed up by there owners, dont show aggression to humans.

Many pits are also ok on there leash.
But in the park, when interacting with other dogs. From what i have witnessed, the amount of aggressive pits far outways normally behaved pits.
I have rarely ever witnessed a "purebred" APBT off leash and interacting with other dogs properly (other dogs, being first time interactions).
Not saying that these dogs cant have other doggy friends, because mine have a few favorites they love to play with and have no problems.
But when it comes down to it, most pits are very dominant, and when it comes time to interact with unknown dogs in the park, this breed, in general, has a tendency to show this dominance in an unacceptable manner.

You have seen my pups, they look and act like the sweetest little things.
But did u know that the older one has attacked numerous dogs, to the point where i was considering giving him up?
And has even gone as far as attacking an owner of another dog when she tried to break up a fight?

There is an uncontrollable aspect of many pits. U dont neccessarily know when its going to happen. They were bred for fighting, and is clearly visible why.

However, i have noticed that my Tash, can be agreesive towards a dog, and within a few interactions be ok.
But....how many other dog owners do u know that would give my pits a secong, third and forth chance in the park??
Not many, ive only met one.
But i have met a ton of others that will literally, pick there dogs up, and walk to the other end of the park with a group of others.

When im in my building lobby, any dog that walks in there gets a serious harrassment from my dog.
They dominate any path, area, place, that they frequent.
This is one of the main characteristics of this breed. along with being one of the best family dogs, etc... go figure...lol

There are just not enough ppl with there heads on straight that keep pits, and those who are Ambassadors for the breed make themselves known. But this is only a small precent of the overall owners.
I have known ppl for years and one day find out they had a pit.
The fact is, the majority of ppl dont feel so strongly about animals as we do. And have an animal that they dont really care about.
We are a HUGE minority, and will continue to be so.
I walk through neighbourhoods, and rarely see any dogs being walked, but if u go into there backyards, sure enough theres a pit or shepperd on a chain, with a kennel outside.
The majority being ppl who were not born in this country and do not have the same cultural outlook on animals like us.
They want something cheap, and something for protection.
And with the increasing amount of ppl immigrating here, the higher the percentage of pits wont get the proper socialization that they NEED.

I read somewhere that a good % of pits have been to a pound atleast once. more then any other breed.
How many of those have been euthanized??? dont really know, but lately it has been increasing alot. So maybe my statistics on aggressive to non-agressive pits is outdated because so many of them have been killed.
Pits can be broken, VERY EASILY, but they can also be wisked off there feet just as easy.
But i stand behind when i say most pits shouldn't be let off a leash once they reach sexual maturity. at least not around dogs they dont know.
In many cases they are unpredictable.
And anyone who has one that is fine off a leash, in any circumstance, Cherish that dog forever, because it is a very special dog.

I wish mine were like that, but i have no problem takin em on rollerblades/bike etc...to give them exercise.

Anywayz, another long rant . all my opinion.

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To add to the stats,

soemthing that is bothering me that wasn't stated on that website is that, there is a greater number of the "other dogs" on that list(in this country) then there are pits.
Well atleast thats my assumed guess...

So id be interested in knowing whether these stats were on a even ratio 1000 sheperds : 1000 pits : 1000 cockers, etc....
Or was it just takin from the amount of bites from each breed in Texas?

I dont know, somethin to think about......
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Old 10-09-02, 10:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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One thing to keep in mind with these statistics is that the dogs ranked at the top of the lists are very popular large dog breeds, it's unlikely that, for example, Finnish Spitz would be at the top of the list, because very few people own them, similarly, one would be less likely to see Chihuahaus because they are so small that their bites are less likely to require hospitalization and therefore, less likely to be catalogued in a statistical survey...Basically, I don't see how Pit Bulls can be considered any more prone to bite people than most large dog breeds, I think that they probably get more publicity (as do Rottweilers, etc...) because when they do attack the consequences are more severe. A Labrador Retriever doesn't have the huge Lb/sq inch bite pressure that a Rottweiler or Pit Bull does...This just goes to show that ANY dog can be dangerous if they aren't trained and socialized properly.

The only reason that Pit Bulls have a terrible reputation is because stupid people buy them to look "cool" and they can't provide the environment necessary for them to be mentally sound. And that is the biggest problem, because it innevitably leads to misbehaviour, like biting and attacks.

P.S. When I refer to "biting" and "attacking" I mean dog biting/attacking human, not dog biting dog...there are, undoubtedly, certain breeds of dog that aren't good with other dogs, as there are breeds of dog that aren't good with cats or children...

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Damien........sorry to hear about your problems, but here we have the same garbage rules too. My guys are harmless and I trust them 110% with my young children and visitors in the house when we are home. On the other hand, I have to say that I DO pity the sorry a$$ that decides to breakin to the house for a treasure hunt.
As for the dogs at the park......LOL....yeah right....this breed has generations upon generations of selective breeding for people interaction and genetic build. The breed is originally back from the black plague was ramid and the Knights used to pitts to clear bears out from around their properties.
I do have to say though, that bad owners make bad dogs. Whether it be a pitt or a rat with hair, they are all capable of inflicting damage. It is the fact that the pitt has 1200lb preesure/square inch in its bite, that makes it seem all that much worse. You put 120lbs on a chiuaua(sp) and I would hate to see the damage those little buggers would be able to inflict.
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and this is my boy Keigan.....hes 130lbs and 12 months old. But there is not a mean bone in his body....other than the fact he is not dog friendly
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Old 10-10-02, 03:23 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Damien,
Thats horrible!..leashing and muzzleing a dog olny makes things worse for both the dog and the owner..imo.
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Old 10-10-02, 07:03 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Here is something interesting I own a staffy, lab and a staffy/lab (jee wonder how I got that one lol) Anyway when people come to my house or walk by do you know which one they have to be wary of?
Take a guess!
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Old 10-10-02, 08:47 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I agree with Chris, muzzling a dog (unless the dog is actually vicious) just makes things worse. My labs are chronic leash pullers so we put a Halti on them when we take them out on leash. If any of you haven't seen a Halti, it's like a horse bridle for dogs, the leash attaches to the part that goes around the muzzle and controls the dog's head so it can't pull. I looks somwhat like a muzzle (although it wouldn't make a very good one, considering that the dog can open it's mouth fully) and I've had so many people think it was a muzzle and they avoid us while walking, or if one of my dogs gets excited and jumps around they assume that the dog is crazy and about to go on a rampage...I've heard people say "Oh no! That dog's going to attack that other dog!" Ya, right, how many attacking dogs do you see wagging their tails and NOT growling? My dogs love other dogs, if the "muzzle" weren't on these people wouldn't think anything of my dog jumping around with another.
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omg, my dad has a rottweiler and he is the KEWLEST dog, i love him so much, he is such a ******!! lol!! I hope nothing like that happens in my state!!
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J.J. Over here on this side of the state there are already laws reguarding bull mastif, Pit Bull, and Rotweiller.

Better check the local laws you might be breaking.....
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Old 10-10-02, 08:40 PM   #29 (permalink)
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OMG!!! No way, if they try to pass a law about the bullsh!t here, all the old people and really crazy people are sooo going to vote yes!!! Lets just say, there might be reports of some senator or who ever made the decision or wahtever, well that person may be missing..................:eb:

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