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Old 08-02-04, 12:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Bad pet store

Ive been going to this pet store to get mice crickets ect. well anyways about a week ago i finaly went around the store and looked at all of their herps almost all of there animals were dying! Some of the snakes were laying on the ground with their mouth open, some of the cages were loaded with crickets and the animals were burried in them, and one of their taiwan beauties (i think thats what there called) had a big cut on its stomach. that day i bought a vine snake to try to nurse it back to health but, it died while i was asleep. well i just wanted to tell my story.

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Old 08-02-04, 01:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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that is horrible! you could report them to your local authorities. if i were u, i wouldnt buy anything from them, so as not to support such aweful neglect.
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Old 08-02-04, 04:28 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Awww that is discusting. Yes, jake i do agree with thunder that you try your best to not buy from there. When you take a suffering animal from a store like that...they just replace it with another.

Have a peek at this link. It is by Mellissa Kaplan (she wrote Iguanna's for dummies) She is quite an amazing woman and has some great advice to help you out.
http://www.anapsid.org/pettrade/petstorerescues.html

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You are not supposed to have the store name in your posts. Please remove it or it will be done for you by one of the mods.

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Old 08-02-04, 09:54 AM   #5 (permalink)
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although it is against board policy to give the store's name, you should give a location or some other indicator that leaves readers certain where you're talking about...otherwise posts like these serve no function...otherwise other users will not know to steer clear of that store

I would recommend talking to the store's management, it could be that they just don't know how to porperly care for the animals
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If people want to know so badly, they can Pm the individual and ask.

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And I think it should be most evident to our members that the store is bad and they should not "shop" there. How hard can it be to see some of the things snakelover pointed out?

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are you staff or something? you're quite insistant here
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Who me?

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Old 08-02-04, 10:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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no, the other guy, talkin' like a mod

I, myself do not like to scope out pet stores in a city I'm visiting, try to find the place, finally find the place,and then realise it's a bad store...personally had I known "the store on 45th st sucks" I would not have wasted my time finding it....as shown in the example, I was able to mention which store sucks without using the store's name

I just don't think that regular users should pretend to be mods...his message could also have been PMd had he needed to get the point across "so badly"

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Have a peek at this link. It is by Mellissa Kaplan (she wrote Iguanna's for dummies) She is quite an amazing woman and has some great advice to help you out.
Evil... evil, EVIL enemy of every pet owner in the world. Kaplan is not pro-reptile, she is anti pet ownership. She's just more subtle about it than PeTA, but the end goals and ideals are the same. She's not a credible source for anything at any time, because everything she has ever written is either incorrect or so loaded with propagandist messages as to be useless.
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Yup, I must agree with what M said!

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surinamensis...i can understand where your comming from and i know how she is comming off that way. But in the link it has a form that you can fill out and pass to other people in your area or send to whoever needs to be informed.
But then....that's the goodness of this msg board...to get opinions, ideas and feelings about a subject.

The stuff i have read of hers, yes...she is a tad between the lines but you can't help but borrow some of the ideas.

*shrugs*
Just a thought.

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Drifting a bit off topic here but...

By reccomending anything she does, especially when noting that she wrote that iguanadeath manual and calling her "amazing" is in effect promoting everything to someone who may or may not know her well enough to see the problems. She's a slick one, no question... on the surface it appears as if she wants to help people who own reptiles and the reptiles themselves but as one reads a few more things she has written, her aims become more evident. She advocates an outright ban on reptile (animal in general I think) ownership despite herself owning a few (very few actually, she has almost no real experience). Her caresheets are riddled with lies that will harm animals or people... While it'd be difficult to find anyone who hasn't said at least one or two things that made sense in some manner, she and her associates (she has a lot of antipet trade things on her site from Warwick and a few others outside of the united states where the association between their names and animal rights nutjobs might not be as well known) are dangerous. Send someone one link, who knows what else they might read there. Unprepared for her, Kaplan is subtle enough to harm even intelligent people.

Since the original poster is in New Mexico, the course is obvious... the biggest power they have is money. If you don't like what any company is doing, deny them your money and encourage others to do the same. If it's really bad and not just someone making more out of minor issues than they should then the community will follow and the business will succumb. The entire southwest patterned their animal welfare and care laws after California too... a few distinct advantages actually rise out of this. Law enforcement HAS to investigate complaints about neglect or abuse and will follow through with the laws which are in place. The store can be warned to shape up, fined for noncompliance with laws and even have their license to operate a pet store reviked- instantly stopping them from selling live animals and restricting them to dry good until they appeal it (very few of those appeals are successful). Kaplan's "letters" that she wants you to print out, sign and send in won't do anything worthwhile. Follow the avaliable paths of financial pressure and involving law enforcement and the problem will be solved.
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Hmm... that's fine. You are very passionate about this which is wonderful.
It will provoke me to do a little more reasearch. Maybe i chose the wrong wording to get such a strong responce. I do apologize.

I mean...what the hell else am i suposed to say? LoL *shrugs*

M's got it right jake about choking thier income as i said before. Try your best not to take away those suffering animals because hopefully without any sales they will be the last ones to have to go through that.
As well as the following steps that M recomended will be nothing but crippling.

Oohh latazyo also had a good point which i didn't want to get lost within the posts. Feel free to let the store owner know! A pet shop owner should have staff that are educated enough to take care of thier animals.....but sometimes that is not so. I am sure they will welcome your advice, if they truely cared about thier business.

I do recomend letting your friends and family know of your experience there, nothing is as good as word of mouth.

Best of luck with you jake.
M....i'd like to hear more if you wouldn't mind Pm'ing me.

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