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Old 07-28-04, 01:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all! I am new to this forum, but have been interested in wildlife for some time. I was able to find these snakes and was wondering if anyone would please I.D. them. I found them about 20 miles inland from the S.E. Georgia coast in open areas flanked by heavy woods and rivers. Thanks!


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Old 07-28-04, 01:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The reddish one's a garter (Thamnophis sirtalis maybe?). They aren't normally coloured like that and I don't have a field guide on hand so I can't be sure what species. The other is an immature yellow ratsnake (Pantherophis [formerly Elaphe] obsoleta quadra something), again I don't have my field guid so sorry I can't give you the ssp name, hopefully someone more informed will get to this thread soon.
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Looks like Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis and a Pantherophis alleganiensis (formerly known as P. obsoletus quadrivittatus) to me.
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I would say Thamnophis sirtalis marcianus, red sided garter.
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I would say Thamnophis sirtalis marcianus, red sided garter.
?! Never heard of that one but I've heard of T. marcianus, the checkered garter.
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Old 07-28-04, 12:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I tried looking for Pantherophis alleganiensis on google put didn't find it. When was the name changed? What did they do with the everglades ratsnake? Do you have a link?

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did you take them from the wild, do you still have them? WHat do you plan to do with them?
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Hey, thanks alot for helping me with this! I have been trying to research and figure this out for some time now!
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Old 07-28-04, 03:15 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yes, I got them from the wild, but released them where I got them once I photographed them.
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Old 07-28-04, 05:57 PM   #10 (permalink)
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catching wild reptiles

I don't recommend it..... and would rather say.. DON'T DO IT

leave them alone
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Old 07-28-04, 06:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: catching wild reptiles

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I don't recommend it..... and would rather say.. DON'T DO IT

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What? He just photographed them and released them back... problem?
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yeah i dont see a problem with that at all
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Pantherophis alleganiensis. The name was changed just recently. The glades rat is the same thing as the yellow rat, just a colour variant.
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Is that pronounced al-i-gan-yen-sis?
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Sort of, I guess. I only read it of a Reptiles issue.
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