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Old 07-14-04, 11:01 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Congrats getting all of that organized. Can't wait to see it. Great that you could get the other side of the story to air. Wish I wouldn't have missed it at 6. Now I have to stay up till 12:30 my time to catch the replay

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This certainly is an impressive feat, especially for such a small time frame. I missed it at six too, airs again at 2:00-3:00 AM my time. Being just a young guy with no responcibilities I think I'll stay-up.

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I'm so excited. I just saw one of those news preveiw teaser thing asking me to "see why there's something fishy about this snake".

Can hardly wait another hour.

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Brad the reported just called me and wanted to thank me for today, and to thank Henry for bringing his burmese and for Brad being an awesome PR support. Cudos guys. He also said that in the future if we need help for me to call him. Is a good start here I think.
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Is it true that a snake can lay fertile eggs even when it has never been with a male?
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Supposedly a Burm laid fertile eggs without being with a male, last year. That is the only case I have heard of, but female pythons have laid infertile eggs, because they were close to a male (pherimones suspected). That is partially the reason we bred Elvira, so she wouldn't lay a dud clutch or get egg bound with infetile eggs (harder on the snake than becoming fully gravid). Vern's 2 females laid infertile eggs this year, without being with the males, but they were close to the males.

So, Mom, did you get it recorded?

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Congrads this is awsome, having the media on our side is a great advantage.
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I just saw it and must say, that was great and very effective. Congarats and well done! I must also give it to CTV for using language like "stunt". Congrats! That was just what we needed. Springate came off like a sheepish idiot up against real facts. That should shut them down for awhile.
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I just saw the report. Good on you guys for getting the media on our side for a change. I bet his day wasn't as food today backpeddaling their actions. It was a short news report, but definitely to the point and fot the point across. "We keep them together to give them a sense of companionship" I can't believe he would say that. lol

Hopefully this helped in keeping them from the media trying to pull this sort of thing again. I thought the closing comments saying that the snakes are still together possibly planning the next publicity stunt was quite funny and a good end to the segment.

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thought the closing comments saying that the snakes are still together possibly planning the next publicity stunt was quite funny and a good end to the segment.
I thought that was great too. Like I said you have to give it CTV for this. It's nice to have some good press for a change. We need to keep this sort of thing up.
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I think that went great, we were asked not to mention his name but the RRRefuge guy really stumbled, it looked great. So did the burm, what does she weigh?

That report of the burm laying fertile eggs without a male, is that verified. How did that work, I don't understand... were they all clones? Can someone provide a link.

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I was privileged to be part of a discussion with some very informed keepers and breeders (Dr. Owens just to shamlessly name drop) and the there is some suspsion that the Burm in question did infact have contact with a male a few years prior to laying the eggs. Snakes have the ability to store sperm.

What I think needs to happen next is for an SPCA to do an investigation into the practices and conditions there. From what I hear, they're not good.
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I was privileged to be part of a discussion with some very informed keepers and breeders (Dr. Owens just to shamlessly name drop) and the there is some suspsion that the Burm in question did infact have contact with a male a few years prior to laying the eggs. Snakes have the ability to store sperm.

What I think needs to happen next is for an SPCA to do an investigation into the practices and conditions there. From what I hear, they're not good.

I'm still of the belief that the only way to really safe guard our hobby is to follow the Australian licensing model.

I should also thank you guys for really being proactive about this whole issue. I for one really appreciate it.

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I just want to say Kudos to CTV for coming right back at it and showing some jam and reporting the truth.

Mr. Springate came off looking like a bit of a fool. A female can reproduce without male contact. I am going to bet that female in question at one time or another did have contact. Its just not possilbe other wise. I mean be reasonalbe here.

I wish to thank Henry, Brad and Beth for doing everything in such short notice and getting (FOR ONCE) our message out there.

Oh and our Burmese..Its a beautiful beautiful snake - its what a real 17 foot snake looks like.. Not that supposed 15 foot rock python which if measured didnt look like it would measure more than 10-11 feet.

thats MESHO

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Congrats to everyone involved here. For once, the apathetic reptile community didn't just sit back and wait for a ban. Congrats to Beth, Henry, and Brad for getting this to the media, and thank you Terri for bringing it to the attention of the rest of us!

And to Mr. Springy, I have only this to say:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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