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Old 07-14-04, 07:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
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http://www.surreyleader.com/portals-...d=265121&more=

here is the article in the Surrey Leader. I used the feedback to voice my opinion. I hope you do too!

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We all know Nicholas Read is one of the Schrammites. He and Christine, his pal, have over the years written many slamming reports against the WSPCR, any of the events put on by them. He is very anti-reptile. He is a bad reporter b/c we all know reporters shouldn't have opinions. There has been much slandering against reptile owners and especially the WSPCR.

It's true. This sort of stuff has lead to reptile bans. Think Kelowna, think Surrey, think Maple Ridge. The Schrammites have led to many of these partial bans in the GVRD. Partial b/c the WSPCR has been at MANY of these council meetings, and petitioned against full bans.

When Maple Ridge tried to ban reptiles outright, people all across the country and EVEN the United States wrote to the mayor and he was totally blown away by the response. Let's try this again, eh?
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Another idea, would be to find a reporter who is on our side. Send them to do a report, but make the RRR think it is going to do them well.

But, they could collect all of the many reptiles living together, dirty cages, whatever they find - and then get together with some local herp experts to blow the RRR out of the water.

Reporters love to get the real dirt on something. I bet there are a few who would love to know the real story, and present it to the public, Kinda like a Michael Moore thing.

So, anyone know any reporters fairly well?

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Old 07-14-04, 09:53 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I've drafted up a letter to the editor and would like to provide the e-mail / phone number of the FVHS and WSPCR as organizations who can put you in touch with more information or with someone who could take an unwanted snake. Could someone provide provide the e-mail / phone number of the FVHS and WSPCR to me?

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Old 07-14-04, 10:21 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Guys Us Canadian Herpers have been learning for years now for a fight just like this one.

you don't need a spy in there at all. What you need is some on that will volentarly open there doors to the media on a positive note and do a split screan you know the B4 and After shots a Jenny Creig.

But have one side true the other false one side proper husbendry the other improper what ever hapend to leaving the eggs with the mother. come and try and take away my baby I will chase you up a tree and kill you too and I am human LOL...

the media wants only the dirt they dont care if it make reptiles look good they want dirt we have pet stores that sell roties and stuff but then tere are puppy mills with one is the more fround appon.

Show them the only reason these animals are lashing out and trying to hurt ppl is cause they are in extreamly poor condition and in the hands of some one with half a brain there would be no problems and nprety much put it out there that if RRR can not take rthe heat of rescues then get out of the kitch and to stop pissing and moaning about how over whelmed bthe may be geting. and for the love of good soome one plz tell the media that Rocks are not colubrids and are not knowed to double clutch I have never heard of it but I am sure that it would not happen under there husbendry skills. well I am done talking hope you can beet this.

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Submitted feedback as well
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The WSPCR also has a yahoogroup, which can be found at http:// www.WSPCR.com.
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I just picked up the Province and found Amanda's WSPCR Letter to the Editor. She is well spoken and her point is well made. Congrats Amanda!

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my personal opinion is: I dont think any investigative journalism is going to bring this little group of the misinformed down. You need to file a law suit against them.

I just want to make one point clear. This is only ONE incident in Africa of an African Rock Python eating a child. Thats ONE documented case. Its unheard of and yet they are reporting it like its an everyday occurance. Talk about the blind leading the blind.

Also, in the report Mr. Springate stated the African Rock python was 15 feet. Well that snake they took the eggs from was no more than 10 feet a very small reptile for her age. It is guessed because she has been bred five times so far this has stunted her growth. Food for thought.

Its really very sad!
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Can you post the letter to the editor?
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Old 07-14-04, 11:23 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I just finsihed writting to the bc news people as well. I think everyong should write in and call reptile refugee to complain maybe a slap in the face might awaken them to what their doing.
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Here's my letter in responce to 'Sneaking up on a Snake' (from the Surrey Leader), it's a little long (775 words) so I haven't sent it in yet.

Inaccuracies in 'Sneaking up on a Snake'

There was an article printed recently in this paper that is very much resented by the snake-keeping community (often referred to as 'herpers'). The article, 'Sneaking up on a Snake', makes numerous irresponsible claims that the 'herpers' object to, claims which will be denounced in this letter.
The first misinformed statement points to pythons as "the second-nastiest snake family in the world". This notion is in it's very essence ridiculous; it is well known that snakes, along with nearly all other cold-blooded animals, respond primary instinctively (without complex thought). I would put forth that an insentient animal couldn’t be reasonably accused of nastiness. That aside there is another objectionable element to this statement; where could the author have possible procured this statistic. I assure there is no properly researched list ranking snakes according to their 'nastiness'. Could the author name the nastiest and third nastiest snake families?
Shortly after this, while preparing to take Curvy's eggs, Mr. Springate makes the warning "One mistake and that could be my last." In order to understand how grossly inaccurate this is you must first understand a small amount of python natural history. Pythons, along with boas and many other snakes, are non-venomous constrictors, meaning that they kill their prey by suffocation rather then venom. There is no snake that kills its prey through a literally bone-crushing squeeze. A bite from even the largest python is no more then a 'boo-boo', to be fixed with a band-aid or a couple stitches. Mr. Springate will certainly not be constricted to death, like outweighing the snake by several dozen pounds and no doubt having some supporting staff at hand. How will this mistake be his last? Perhaps he could slip and fall.
The author also presents the statistic that "Left to hatch and grow in captivity, at least two (of Curvy's eggs) will survive to adulthood." This presents a disgustingly bleak view of captive snake husbandry. While I don't have a more optimistic figure at hand I can say that I currently own an adult Burmese python. This Friday (July 16th) I will obtain three baby ball pythons, all of which I expect to survive to adulthood. I have never had a python die in my care before reaching adulthood. This is a far better track record then 2 adults from 50 eggs, and my success if far from unusual.
This is the fifth clutch of eggs Curvy has laid since coming into the care of the Rainforest Reptile Refuge ten years ago. In order for Curvy to conceive a clutch she must be housed with a male python. Snakes are solitary animals and many, if not all, snake experts recommend housing them separately. When asked privately why the Rainforest Reptile Refuge was practicing such irresponsible practices they responded that Curvy needed companionship. Again, snakes are solitary animals. While they should be commended for their sentiment the Rainforest Reptile Refuge's housing strategies are grossly misinformed.
Mr. Springate goes on to state that "Too many people continue to buy exotic pets, not realizing the commitment reptiles like Curvy require." This is a point where I and I'm sure the majority of snake enthusiasts would agree, not just pythons but the acquisition of any large exotic animal should be carefully considered. There are number smaller snake species available that are perfectly suited for beginners such as corn snakes, king snakes, milk snakes and ball pythons; perhaps a prospective snake owner should gain some experience with them before attempting to keep a larger snake.
Shortly after this Mr. Springate accuses "People should not have these animals. They're not friendly, they're not domesticated, and you cannot tame them." I would strongly disagree here. I am very happy with all my snakes, the largest of which, an adult Burmese python, is quite tame and and has never so much as bit me.
In response to Mr. Springate saying "Curvy's clutch would not face this fate if she was in the wild where she belongs" I would argue that the majority of pythons available today have been bred in captivity for generations and are no more wild than a budgie of a neon tetra.
If you want anymore information on reptiles or their husbandry please contact the WSPCR at info@wspcr.com or visit their website at www.wspcr.com. Another wonderful organization is the Fraser Valley Herpetological Society located at www.???????? and contacted at ????????. If you have an unwanted snake either of these organizations could arrange for your animal to go to a responsible, experienced person who will view your snake as more than a "charge", as Mr. Springate referred to them.

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I'll second that.

I bet Byron would say the same thing..... and that would be the HISS vote - haha.

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Very good letter Cam. Hoefully it will get posted.

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Second that! Great letter!
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