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Old 07-09-04, 02:54 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'm a homeschooler and mom to 6. I've researched warrants and such concerning police coming in. I know they need more than just one person saying something (hearsay) to get a warrant. IF 2 or more people say the same thing a warrant can be issued. If you let them in without a warrant they are able to 'look around' the whole house and fine you or tell you about EVERYTHING in the house, where as with a warrant they may only look at the thing in question(the original complaint). If you tell them they can't come in without a warrant, and they do, you can sue. They are then violating your rights as an American. I've never had anything happen but have heard of other families who have let them in without a warrant thinking this would be the better thing to do and their lives were turned upside down as a result.
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Old 07-09-04, 04:20 PM   #17 (permalink)
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They are then violating your rights as an American.

Aidan has absolutely NO rights as an American cause he's in Canada.

For curiousity sake I wrote the clerk at the oakville town hall for a copy of the by-laws.

I received a copy of the by-laws today and it doesn't look good for herpers of oakville.

Here are some of the things that are banned in the 1976 version of the law (I'm sure correct terminoligy is not an issue here), my comments are in brackets

Banana spiders
bird spiders
tarantulas
various beetles (didn't feel like typing them all out)
Scorpians
Giant Centipedes (How do we define giant? size of my car or the size of my hand?)
Giant Millipedes (these creep me out at any size)
Geckos (gotta watch out for those dangerous man eating geckos)
Poison-Arrow Frogs (they might be used by a tribe of canibals)
Iguanas
Giant Salamanders
Marine Toad
Lionfish aka turkeyfish (they might escape and run the jungles of oakville)
Crocodilians
Marine Turtles
Alligator Snapping Turtles
Terrapins
Gian Tortoises (who knows, they might stampede down main street)
Boas
Pythons
Indago Snake (not to be confused with the Indigo Snake)
Poisonous Colubrid Snakes (gotta watch out for those vicious hognose)
Vipers
Rattle Snakes
Coral Snakes

you have the standard mammals banned such as Rhinoceroses, Syrian Wild ***, Elephants, Walruses, Sealions, Whales, non domesticated cats and Giraffes...

also included are;
Marsupials (such as sugar gliders, gambian pouched rats etc)
Prairie dogs
Ferrets


Now in 1995 the by-law was amended to strike geckos and iguanas from the list.

It looks like they missed cobras and mambas but they did single out corals (elapids). so you can keep your king cobras, but not have your rosy and soloman island ground boas.

I would suggest parties that live in oakville organise and get the bylaws rewritten to something like the by laws of toronto. I know they're not perfect but they're better then what oakville has.

If anyone wants a copy of the oakville by-laws email me at geekgrrrl@gmail.com (other methods of request will be ignored).
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Old 07-09-04, 04:47 PM   #18 (permalink)
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It looks like they missed cobras and mambas but they did single out corals (elapids). so you can keep your king cobras, but not have your rosy and soloman island ground boas.

That's exactly what I thought about when I read the list. Kind of stupid...
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i got a question about the take the reptile out of your door, what if you were at and expo? and you are going into oakville? Then suddenly you got pulled over and searched will they be fined and taken away? Also if Aidan is moving and steps out with his reptiles then they can be taken? I highly doubt it would happen but anything is possible right?

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I don't know how Marsupials (such as sugar gliders, gambian pouched rats etc) Prairie dogs, and Ferrets could be banned when I've seen them for sale at a Superpet in Oakville? Along with geckos, and many snakes.
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i got a question about the take the reptile out of your door, what if you were at and expo? and you are going into oakville? Then suddenly you got pulled over and searched will they be fined and taken away? Also if Aidan is moving and steps out with his reptiles then they can be taken? I highly doubt it would happen but anything is possible right?

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No if you were passing by an area that had a bylaw and you were pulled over they would not take your animals as they do not reside in that township.

Also (I could be wrong but this is what I thought). I bylaw is not enforced untill there is a complaint. I have had animals that wre against bylaw but never had them taken away even though they knew about them. I asume this was cause there was never a complaint made about the animals or I was just lucky.
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No if you were passing by an area that had a bylaw and you were pulled over they would not take your animals as they do not reside in that township.

Also (I could be wrong but this is what I thought). I bylaw is not enforced untill there is a complaint. I have had animals that wre against bylaw but never had them taken away even though they knew about them. I asume this was cause there was never a complaint made about the animals or I was just lucky.
actually when passing through an area you are subject to it's laws whether you are a resident or not. And a by-law doesn't need a complaint to be made to be enforced.

As for superpet, it's not the first time a petstore has sold animals banned in an area, it won't be the last. sometimes it's through ignorance other times it's from indifference. Also geckos have been legal since 95 and many colubrids are not prohibited.
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As I said I might be wrong guess I was just lucky lol.

Lucky for me my new house is just 10 mins away from the old one and there are NO bylaws with reptiles (one of the reasons I was looking in that area).
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[B]actually when passing through an area you are subject to it's laws whether you are a resident or not. And a by-law doesn't need a complaint to be made to be enforced.
You are indeed expected to respect the laws pf whichever area you are passing through but it doesn't necessarily apply to municipal by-laws. There is a big difference between an areas laws and by-laws.

Most municipal by-laws are specifically written, directed and applied to the residents of the municipality. For example, the clip I quoted from the by-laws of the site mentionned in this thread was a by-law of property standards. If one would be caught travelling in a car with such animals, that particular by-law wouldn't be inforceable due to the fact that it pertains to property standards, not people passing though in a car that do not reside in the municipality = non-residents.

There are probably some municipal by-laws that are more general and could possibly enforced on a passer though but I would find that surprising and it could easily be contested in court.

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Too bad that when they compose these bylaws they rarely actually consult people wth real knowledge of the animals in question. I guess that they consider anyone involved in the hobby to be a little mentally disturbed.

I think that if municipal officials really want to apply any democratic process to their lawmaking that they should put the issue on the ballot in municipal elections and let the people decide the issue.

There are bad exotics keepers sure but then again dogs and cats are more prominant pets and there are bad owners there too. As far as I am oncerned, people should be allowed to keep whatever they want as long as they are responsible and take care of their pets. I think that one bylaw that we need across the country would be one where people mind their own damned business. Make the fines for that nice and high.
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