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Old 06-25-04, 04:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Ignorance? hahaha, maybe for putting in the "word dog" line. The guy IS a convicted rapist, if he isnt, il begin inserting my foot into my mouth now.
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Ignorance? hahaha, maybe for putting in the "word dog" line. The guy IS a convicted rapist, if he isnt, il begin inserting my foot into my mouth now.
Yes, yes he is.. But so are many of the sports icons.. Does that make them any less a person?? The only comment that really bothered me, was:

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As though it was a good thing that someone was gunned down.. I would never wish death upon anyone.. Well, maybe.. Nah.. Just kidding..
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very true...never wish death upon ANYONE! it might come back and bite you in the @$$...
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Old 06-25-04, 04:27 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Yes matt, being a convicted rapist does make them less of a person. He got what was coming to him. Reading back, only one person called me ignorAnt for my comment, and I still can't understand why stating a fact deems myself ingorant

PS matt, i'll be emailing you that sheet this weekend....finally..
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YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT DEATH WAS WHAT WAS COMING TO SOMEONE!?!?!?!?!?!?! ok...you know what that doesn't even deserve a responce...ok...im...im done...i can't take this crap anymore...
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Old 06-25-04, 04:59 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Bah! I'am sorry I've offended you so much. I just feel people wave their right to sympathy when they commit such crimes. I guess I worded it wrong saying he deserved death but it kind of comes with the enviroment he was involved with.
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Matt K, The Beastie Boys are as ghetto as it gets. Three middle-class bred Jewish guys, Come on dog! They had to FIGHT for their right to party, they didn't ask nicely, doesn't that say it all?!

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My problem with people like 50 cent, 2 pac, and every other rapper out there that talks about their past is that they are not promoting it as a horrible time in their life. They promote it as an over glorified good time. I don't wish death on anyone, and I didn't say I was glad he was dead. It's a horrible thing when anyone dies because life is a precious thing. But like I said, I'm not sad to see him go. Awareness is one thing, people should know about the atrocities that happen in places that like so that we can try and effect change, but to publicize it and make it a good thing is not good.

When I make mention to the got milk add campaign, what I'm trying to demonstrate is that this type of culture is seeping into everything, and yes it is just music, but the music still has a message behind it. In that message it does nothing but promote violence, drugs and gangs. This isn't the type of lifestyle that should be celebrated let alone promoted. These people are glorified and made heroes because of the horrible up bringing and the things they did in their life, to me that isn't right.

I'd just like to address Lisa's post for one moment. Besides the fact that Ontario is not as bad as any other crime infested area in the US does not make it any less real. Just because you were ok and not scared of the violence that was all around you, does not make my fear of the possibility that something could happen any less valid. Just because you think it isn't probable that it might happen doesn't mean that it won’t and it only takes one time to ruin a persons life forever, so why even take that chance. Also yes government housing does serve its purpose to try and get people of the streets, but when you think of government housing is it ever portrayed as a safe neighborhood? I can't think of one project, or government house area that is ever deemed "safe". So when I say that government housing is right around the corner make things less safe, I don't generalize saying that every person in that place is a horrible criminal and should be locked up away from my sight. But that doesn't take away from the fact that some people in those types of situations are prone to criminal activity. So again my fear is justified. Also Lisa were talking in levels of degrees here, just because a person has a criminal record does not make them a piece of trash. Continuing to break the law, committing violent crimes, and then promoting the fact that it's "cool" to do such things makes a person a piece of trash. I don't classify all criminals in this category, but if you are a never ending problem for society, then you’re a problem.

Its one thing to say you will learn from your mistakes, it's another all together to say you'll learn from your mistakes and then keep repeating them. For these types of people, 2 pac included, he used the line "learning from my mistakes" as a way to gain acceptance, while he continued making these mistakes over and over again.

Also just as another note I would like to post this link.

http://www.canada.com/national/natio...3-7ca698b16f39

This article is how Toronto is now like LA was 15 years ago. Personally I would not like to see the city get to this point.


Also yes I could have sat by and ignored this thread while everyone praised 2 Pac for the life that he lived, but I'm sorry this person does not deserve to be revered or publicized as a good person. He may have done some things some things to shed light on racism and things of that nature, but to try and say that his lifestyle was ok or should me mourned for that matter is not ok in my mind.


Also I'm can keep this civil as long as the rest of you can, I'm always open for a debate. Also I don't have a close minded opinion on the subject, this is my personal opinion from my personal experiences, and just as everyone is entitled to their opinion based on their experiences I'm entitled to mine.
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Vengeance, I think that 2pac is the least of your concerns. [/B]
I'm not saying that 2 Pac is my problem; my point is that the life style that he promoted is my problem. By glorifying the "Thug Life" it makes people think it is ok to act in that matter when really, it's not.
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funny...some self proclaimed "open minded" people really have a cut and dry way of interpreting things...hah..lets just shoot now and ask questions later...I don't think Veng is the one with the anger problem.
btw..I like the sound of his music but some lyrics are *#&$(#*$&(#*$&#&$)#$*&
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Old 06-25-04, 10:48 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I'm from Scarborough, so I guess I'm trash, so Vengeance you better tell your girlfriend to watch out cause "I'm a bad grandma bustin moves to shock ya" - skittles commercial :P
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Old 06-25-04, 11:39 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Tupac deserves the best. He is my favourite rapper, because I just connect with everything that he says.



I don't know what you're talking about Vengeance. :hammer:


Well said Matt. Thank you!


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"We talk a lot about Malcom X and Martin Luther King JR, but It's time to be like them, as strong as them. They were mortal men like us and everyone of us can be like them. I don't want to be a role model. I just want to be someone who says, this is who i am, this is what i do. I say what's on my mind." - Tupac Shakur


"Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back." - Tupac Shakur


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man, amazing post! pac just does what he has to do.. he's not like all these thugs running around now a days acting like they even now what the word thug meant to pac... to all you people hatin', hate on! to all those who actually know a little something about tupac, that is why you post such good posts.. he was a really good person at heart but he did what he had to do... i've lived in the roughest part of toronto in the past, and that doesn't make me a thug.. i've seen many bad things with my 2 eyes and tupac just always gave me a sense of strength, his music helped me be strong at times where i broke down.. tupac was an educated man, an articulate thug... he was really smart and not some crack head running around talking smack.. he chose to never touch coke, crack, or anything other then weed for that matter, with the exception of liquor of course... he was a real man and in his few years in the music industry, he's done more work and worked harder for that matter then all of you hating on him will do in your life times... you don't know him, so don't just throw him into a category, he IS his own category..
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My problem with people like 50 cent, 2 pac, and every other rapper out there that talks about their past is that they are not promoting it as a horrible time in their life. They promote it as an over glorified good time. I don't wish death on anyone, and I didn't say I was glad he was dead. It's a horrible thing when anyone dies because life is a precious thing.
don't EVER compare 50cent, to tupac... 50 is a little girl compared to tupac, he has no heart... tupac promoted his past as glorious because he SURVIVED thru all of it.. if you fell from a sky scraper and survived to tell the tale, would you not promote it as if you made it? i sure would, i'd be thanking God i survived and would make it the most glorious, precious moment of my life.. now, i wouldn't recommend to others that they try it, but i'd tell them i made it in a sense of pride... tupac was a very proud person, even of his defects...

" One less gang banger / piece of trash in the world, I sure won't miss him."

that doesn't sound like your glad he died? he wasn't a piece of trash and you've probably done worse things then him for all i know.. for example, just because your name is vengeance and i know that revenge is a bad thing to do, it's not the "good way of life" as society has it, would you like it if i automacaly(sp?) threw you into a bad category when you pass and state, "One less very bad person / piece of trash in the world, I sure won't miss him."???
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Thank you Tupac, for trying your best to stop racism, and to help others by sharing your experiences. I will always miss you as a hero and as a person!
Everyone should have heroes...personally, mine is Jeffery Dahmer.

Seriously though, gangster rap is not any kind of positive music and never will be. Tupac wasn't doing anything to stop racism, all he did was promote a negative stereotype, one that is still promoted by todays ever-so packaged 'gangster' rappers. I love looking at my little sisters teen-beat magazine and seeing 50-cent right next to Hillary Duff.

Do people even think before trying to defend something so mindlessly?
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