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Old 06-25-04, 03:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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You'd be surprised.

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Totally agreed. I read this, thought it was lame, and skipped it..mostly because i hate rap and dont care for tupac, but i didnt open my mouth to start telling everyone who likes that is a "piece of trash"

I also agree on the fact that thats why i like reptiles even more, they dont talk/complain
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i think that might be why i enjoy reptiles as well! wow!
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Fuuny that people jump all over a person when they don't even know the facts behind their opinion.

Fact 1) I do know what I'm talking about and there is a riseing gang problem in Ontario and mabye going back 8 years ago I was involved in it, I was a piece of trash back then, and I grew up and realized that if I ever wanted to make something of myself I better get out of this lifestyle. So when I see someone is a piece of trash I speak from personal experiance.

Fact 2) Where I live there have been home invasions, drive by shootings, assults, and most likely a large number of unreported violent crimes. There is also goverment houseing just around the corner from my apt. So when I say I'm affraid to let my girlfriend out at night by herself to walk to dog, it's not ignorance or racisium, it's fact and fear of what could happen.

Do I have an angry outlook on the current situation, yes I do. I'm angry that now being a violent criminal is "cool". It's all over our media, people like 50 cent are praised for there violent background and preaching about dealing drugs, acting violently, and being a part of a gang. These are the supposed "role models" of todays youth. You can see it everywhere, even add campains such and McDonalds and Milk have started to incorperate this "ghetto" culture into their adds. So no I'm not happy.

Also when I called 2 Pac a piece of trash, I call it like I see it. This person was a convicted felon, premoted the fact he was involved in gang affairs. Also the fact that he was shot and targeted specifically raises some other questions. People don't get targeted by those types of groups by not being involved in gang related events.

So when I say one less piece of trash on this earth, my words don't come from hate or anger, they come from fact and knowledge. 2 pac wasn't a positive enforcment on society as a whole. He was not a good person, and his death should not be missed by anyone.

Also the fact that you automatically assume that I'm a racist and a hate monger in unapriciated. I have no problems with black people or people of any race. As long as they are a law abiding and a positive member of society.
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Thanks da_illest for posting this. :thumbsup:
Tupac deserves the best. He is my favourite rapper, because I just connect with everything that he says.


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One less gang banger / piece of trash in the world, I sure won't miss him.
I don't know what you're talking about Vengeance. :hammer:

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Vengence, who are you??? Your comments are worthless.. Are you better then any of those 'peices of trash'??
Well said Matt. Thank you!

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Because of this, I hang out with reptiles.
LMAO!!!



"We talk a lot about Malcom X and Martin Luther King JR, but It's time to be like them, as strong as them. They were mortal men like us and everyone of us can be like them. I don't want to be a role model. I just want to be someone who says, this is who i am, this is what i do. I say what's on my mind." - Tupac Shakur


"Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. Im not the thief who grabs your purse. Im not the guy who jacks your car. Im not down with the people who steal and hurt others. Im just a brother who fight back." - Tupac Shakur


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Old 06-25-04, 03:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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great post David!!!
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Also when I called 2 Pac a piece of trash, I call it like I see it. This person was a convicted felon, premoted the fact he was involved in gang affairs. Also the fact that he was shot and targeted specifically raises some other questions. People don't get targeted by those types of groups by not being involved in gang related events.

So when I say one less piece of trash on this earth, my words don't come from hate or anger, they come from fact and knowledge. 2 pac wasn't a positive enforcment on society as a whole. He was not a good person, and his death should not be missed by anyone.

Also the fact that you automatically assume that I'm a racist and a hate monger in unapriciated. I have no problems with black people or people of any race. As long as they are a law abiding and a positive member of society.
Okay, you're not racist. The only problem I have is the 'piece of trash' part. Tupac was a role model to many people. There is still a lot of racism in the world, and he was one of the people who tried to stop it, and that is one reason why I say thanks to him. His death is missed by people because he was someone in a society that made a difference, a difference that has actually changed lives. Therefore, he would be classified as a hero - A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose. Yes, he and others (50 cent) do have a criminal background, but there is no reason to look upon their past. They tell us of their life, and all of the troubles that they go through. They are the ones who share their experiences to help others. If they didn't share their experiences, people who are going through the same thing would not know where to get advice from, meaning from someone who has actually gone through the same problems in life.

Thank you Tupac, for trying your best to stop racism, and to help others by sharing your experiences. I will always miss you as a hero and as a person!

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Spare me your "I'm from the ghetto so I can say it" rant.

Try growing up in Southern California like I did. Yup. And guess what? I don't hate "thugs" rap music, of tupac. We WERE the victims of home invasion more times than I can count, some violent, and many more things I won't put here because half of you couldn't even handle hearing about it.

You say your words don't come out of anger but "facts" ???

I have MORE facts than you, I grew up in a FAR worse neighborhood then you, but our facts are totally different because I am not a closed minded unhappy person who seems to get joy out of a human beings death or at the very least, boasts about it.

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P.S. I also had criminal offenses as a minor (under 18) So I guess that means I don't deserve anyone caring when I die. Yup.

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another wonderful post and your welcome!
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Yes, he and others (50 cent) do have a criminal background, but there is no reason to look upon their past.
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another wonderful post and your welcome!
lol! I'm like the Energizer Bunny! I keep going, and going, and going....
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"Government housing" oooooo scary! People who need help are always criminals! They all deserved to be shunned, and stayed away from. What a sick sick generlization. I can't believe people still think like this. This is the reason the homeless have no shelters to go to. Because people like you and your "fear"

I played with trucks and my toys when I was under five living in the projects in Inglewood, california where I was born. So keep your girlfriend in if you like. I say, enjoy the wonderful canadian weather right now, and all it's people.

I will not continue because as always, threads like this get out of hand :| Me too! :P

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I will not continue because as always, threads like this get out of hand :| Me too! :P
lol, I think I'm going to stop where I am too.
Unless something else comes up...
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Vengence, most people that have 'rolled' with gangs or led a life of crime in the past, don't put down or discriminate against the ones that do it now.. Usually they give back to the community.. Ever heard of outreach programs?? Instead of writing off those kids as 'peices of trash' maybe you should take one under your wing, i mean, afterall, you're doing so much better for yourself now then they are..

Milk ads promote Gangs??? So, you can get a gat with a 2L of 2%?? SWEEET.. If you're refering to the 'more milk' ad with the guys rapping, that's not a 'Ghetto' culture, it's called MUSIC.. Hmmm, Beastie Boys are hip hop, and they're not 'ghetto'.. Instead of being stereotyical, and putting the Hip Hop and Rap communities into a pot and calling it 'Ghetto Culture', think about what it is.. It's ENTERTAINMENT.. Some of these artists have been through hell and back, you say you've led the life of a 'peice of trash' then appreciate what they're doing.. Yes, 50 Cent was shot, he was also living on the street at a very young age cause his parents were killed, but now he's making Millions telling his story.. Should kids mimic what these artists sing about? Probably not, but sometimes it happens.. But can you put all the blame on the music industry? No, you can't.. You don't think there are kids out there mimicing what they see in movies???

It's very unfortunate that some people look at these artists that sing about violence, and use them as role models and then mimic their lives after the artists, it really is, but you're no better by judging them..

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screamin "Go," with their 17-year-old Uncle
I'm like, "Guidance - ain't they got the same moms and dads
who got mad when I asked if they liked violence?" - Eminem

Eminem: 'Take my music for what it's worth'
Interviewer: 'What is it worth?'
Eminem: 'Absolutely nothing'..
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VERY well said Matt!!
But you still didn't beat mine, lol
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