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Old 06-15-04, 08:15 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The point is, why be able to keep dogs that aren't exotic when you can't keep snakes, lizards, frogs, etc.?

People, what is this world coming to? An uncaged tiger, even horses and cats that are in a cage just might have a greater tendancy to harm someone than, say, a CAGED snake or lizard!
Even if it is a venemous snake or a poisonous frog, jeez it's in a cage!

A person getting mauled by a captive herp could only be the result of stupidity of the owner. Get rid of them, not exotic herps.


This may not sound like a related subject, but remember what happened to the muslim reputation when the dumbass taliban crashed into the WTC?
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Old 06-15-04, 09:31 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Why is it we never hear of the Bulldog who rips a childs arm off, or a Golden Reteiver who mauls an old lady? Because it DOESN'T HAPPEN. Let me guess, the media is "picking on" Pitbulls? Rotties? Dobes? Fact is, good breeding or not, these dogs have the ability and sometimes the poor judgement to do what my examples of 'well-behaved' dogs would not. I'll stick with my goofy, beautiful, funny,loving, cheeky Lab and never have to wory about her eating anyones face.
No disrespect, but get your facts straight before making a broad comment like that. I have a pit and she's afraid of her own shadow! Every animal, snakes included, have their own personality. If we want to keep them, we have to adjust to their individual personality or not have them at all. The reason you don't hear about other types of dogs attacking is usually because of misidentification on the reporter/witness's part. It sells a lot of newspapers and the correction to the front page story is buried in the middle of the paper somewhere. I was really hesitant on getting a pit bull in the beginning due to my 2 young kids, but after reading up on the breed, and properly training her, the only time I have any attack from her is when her dang tail whips me when I come home from work! You'd be surprised how many people have told me they were scared of her because she is a Pit. Slowly but surely, I'm trying to change the bias toward this breed. Oops this is a snake forum not a dog forum. My bad!
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None taken, I enjoy a spirited debate as much if not more than the next guy..
I'm sure YOUR dog is a big, cuddly lap dog, in fact I've met a few pits who are just that, in fact one of my Willow's best friend is a pitti named Diesel, BUT that doesn't lessen the fact that many of the SERIOUS injuries inflicted on people are from a select few breeds of dogs. Also, I don't know about you, but I molded my dog into what I wanted. We worked together; she pushed, I pushed and we came to a happy medium where she could keep her personality and I could get from her what I wanted. No dog personality is set in stone. Oh yes, and I apologize for not touching on the GIANT conspiracy between the newspapers, television, OPEC and the UN trying to besmirch the 'good name' of these breeds. Fact is if these dogs didn't go nuts every once in a while, it wouldn't be in a newspaper, on t.v. etc. I realize that 20 years ago, german sheppards were the 'cool' dog to hate, then the dobermann, the rottweiler, and now the pittbull. Is it just me who sees a trend here? Who knows (fingers crossed) maybe the lhaso apso is next.....
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I have to put in a few good words for the pit bull breeds. Why does it seem like everytime there is a thread about dangerous animals the pits get drug into it. Yes, we own a pit bull. She was rescued from the humane society by my BF before we got together. She was left tied to a tree with no food and no water and she was pregnant. I have no idea what her pedigree is and I highly doubt that any selective breeding took place and she is still a wonderful dog and companion. I haven't seen any aggression towards humans out of her except for one time when a man came to the door trying to get me to let him in (he was selling something ) after me telling him repeatedly to leave, Sophie came up beside me , growled, and he went away. Normally when someone comes to the door she is there greeting them like they came to see her! LOL! I am sure that there are Pits out there that are aggressive and are a danger to people, I just believe that as a breed they are not normally human aggressive. If you wonder why so many bites are attributed to Pits, go to your local pound and see how many dogs there are listed as Pits or Pit mixes. I have and most of these dogs don't have an ounce of Pit in them! If it is a large breed , short haired dog that even slightly resembles a Pit, that is what it is labled as. Oh and Mykee, I grew up with a girl who had a horribly disfiguring scar on her face from being bitten by a Bulldog.
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this is where the whole problem lies. A pitbull atacks a person and then all pitbulls are labbelled as killers and laws are put forth. just like boids. red tail boas can get huge and may, by very very very very slight chance harm a person and then little kenyan sand boas and ball pythons are ALSO BANNED. these cases need to be looked at as an individual incident. its almost like racism between animals. cases should be looked at as how the animal was raised and what gave the animal the urge to attack. they dont attack without a reason.

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this is where the whole problem lies. A pitbull atacks a person and then all pitbulls are labbelled as killers and laws are put forth. just like boids. red tail boas can get huge and may, by very very very very slight chance harm a person and then little kenyan sand boas and ball pythons are ALSO BANNED. these cases need to be looked at as an individual incident. its almost like racism between animals. cases should be looked at as how the animal was raised and what gave the animal the urge to attack. they dont attack without a reason.

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When ANY animals attacks someone, whether it be a herp or a dog, the OWNER should be held responsible. People might start to actually learn about the animals that they keep and, in some cases, reconsider. Laws that hold the owner responsible for the actions of their animals, IMO, is the answer............

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all breeds of dog bite. no question.
it all boils down to training and responcible ownership.
it wasnt too long ago there WAS an outbeak of golden retrievers biting people. it was all the backyard breeding that went on that led to the good traits being lost. and bad traing to reinforce it.
certain dogs (pitbulls, border collies, most herding dogs) have problems with kids because they dont see them as people.
kids move weird, dont talk directly and firmly and are basically at eye level,
a bad place to be with certain dogs.
im a nanny and bring my dog to work. my dog is completly trained and walks away from rowdy children. however i do not leave her alone with the kids and i have had to "train" the kids about dog safety.
i have a staffodshire terrier/border collie mix who is my life.
i would have no problem muzzling her if i knew she was the least bit aggressive.
adults are always to blame with any animal mishap.
neither dogs nor children (or tigers for that matter) know better.
responcible pet ownership is a hard thing to preach to those who dont want to listen.
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Pitbull can be wonderful dogs and not the vicious beasts that they are always labeled as.

I've met a few that were absolutely wonderful family pets and total sweeties.

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Unfortunately, that is not the "norm" for this breed and the reason for this is in the dog's owners.

Genetically, this breed was designed to be a fighting dog both physically and mentally. This will show especially with pitts & other animals. Rare are pitts that have been socialized well enough to be around other dogs safely. Attacks from pitts toward other dogs or animals far outweigh attacks from pitts on humans.

Generally, pitts don't tend to view humans as a fight target. The reason for such things happening are purely the owners fault. Lack of or improper training is always the reason for an "accident"...

I think that the reason this breed gets as much attention and bad press is because of the sheer strength this animals has. There is quite a difference between an attack from another kind of dog and a pittbull. I'm not saying that other breeds can't inflict serious damage, it just doesn't compare to the damage that a pitt can do.

I wouldn't want to see the species banned anywhere though. I do like the approach of other places that seem to work in everyone's favor. I believe that it's in the U.K. that if you have a pitt, it must wear a cage muzzle when ever the dog is off your property. I'm not sure about the exact details of the bylaw but it's something to that effect.

Even if it can't prevent all accidents, it's a way to prevent some accidents and make others more comfortable around the breed.

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Pixie, very well put forward and I agree with you implicitly.
Anacondaman, I don't know about racist, but my dog has never shown racial tendencies to any dog.
Here's where I can speak from experience regarding these breeds: When I lived in Toronto I was in a part of the city where there were a lot of parks and green space, a fairly affluent neighbouhood. Every day after dinner, 50 or so dog owners in the area would meet at this park and let their dogs play, myself included. All the dogs got along well, however there were two pitts, a shep and a rotti (sound familiar) who continuously had 'accidents' while playing that caused nicks, cuts and eventually stitches which led to the eventual "eviction" from the park/play group. Watching these dogs play it was very evident that there are breeds of dogs that are just 'rougher" than others. Granted, there were also other breeds who played equally as rough, but with the above mentioned breeds, their added size and larger everything, they became a force to be reconed with. It's not their fault they are as 'rough' as they are, just like it's not a huskies fault for wanting to run or a border collies fault for wanting to herd. It's the breed.
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all i will say is that you can not be 100% sure that nothing will go wrong with your dog, or exotic aniamls, even though you think he will never bit its still very possible.

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Anacondaman, I don't know about racist, but my dog has never shown racial tendencies to any dog.
Weird that you said that. A while back, I adopted a pitbull who absolutely anyone that was not white, and anyone in uniform. With us though, he was a complete sweetheart.

I personally love pitbulls, their look and build intrigues me. It is my belief that no one has the right to blame a pitbull for an attack. Fact is, it is the owners responsibility to train their dogs, or get their dogs trained, to behave appropriately. It is also their responsibility to place a muzzle on a dog if they know there is a remote chance of an attack.

I definitely do not see PitBulls as a bad breed, and it is not their fault that human kind raised, and in some cases continue to do so, to fight and attack. At the clinic I work at, there is usually at least one pitbull brought in on a weekly basis. I can usually guess the temperament of the dog just by looking at the owners. And in the opposite case, I can almost guess what the owners are like judging by what wrong with the dog, and whether it is in for being in a fight or not. So what am I getting to? Generally, the outcome of a Pitbull is the result of the owner. Last week, a dog came in who had got brutally beaten as a result of trying to protect its owner as he was in a fight. The owner brought the dog in with his jaw wired shut from a previous fight. The dog had several broken bones, and serious road burn on the right side. The dog was put down. I have been 'attacked' twice within the past three months by a pitbull, both of which times the dog was owned by unsuitable individuals - I say that from the extent of care they are willing to give their dog while under our care.

Anyhow, my point is that it is unforunate that such a beautiful, potentially friendly dog has such a horrible reputation due to our stupidity .
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Old 06-15-04, 02:55 PM   #28 (permalink)
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"Anacondaman, I don't know about racist, but my dog has never shown racial tendencies to any dog. "

To some degree, I'm sure it has.


You know what I hate? Getting mauled by those damned chihuahuas! Man that hurts!


But seriously, like I said before: certain instances will turn people against animals/other people. Stereotypes and discrimination. Bah!
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You know what I hate? Getting mauled by those damned chihuahuas! Man that hurts!
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHHA gotta hate those dam things ha

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I concur. The responsibility lies solely with the owner. I couldn't get my dog to attack anyone for the life of me, it's just not in some dogs. In fact, I'm fairly sure that if I had an intruder do harm to me, from my lab I would get a few stern barks, and then she would try to make friends.
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