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Old 06-14-04, 03:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Ok if him sliding with penguins and swiming with whales is messing around intentionally wildlife, then we all should stop our herping expeditions, cause we know we do more than just swim with whales. Just picking up a snake or moving a rock has the same impact if not a greater impact then swiming with whales.

They are making it a big case out of almost nothing. Emptying our anger from our 1000 years of devistating nature and killing too many things on one guy who swims with a whale is insane.
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it's the same reason we can't feed the wild animals in a park. i think it's different with herping expeditions because mammals grow different connections and dependencies to their environment than reptiles. and a lot of you are right that so many other people violate these laws, but steve gets caught cause he's a celebrity and always being watched
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The whole point is there is a LAW against it! If it isn't a big deal, then fine he can spend energy changing the law.

I feel marijuana isn't a "big deal" but that doesn't mean I can use that as my defense if I were to get in trouble with the law for using it. It's the LAW. You either follow it, don't get caught breaking it, or change them.

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Personally, I think everyone should be subject to the same laws, be they celebrities or not.
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marisa, you can not tell me that you have never broken a law...honstly...i mean to tell you the truth if i had the oppertunity i would do it too, against the law or not...
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Old 06-14-04, 05:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I just said in plain view I break the law by smoking marijuana.

I also said you either accept the law and follow it, don't get caught, or use your energy to change the laws. You don't do something thats against the law, then after people want to prosecute say "oh but it's a dumb law"

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well i dont know exactly what that particular law entails so i cant really say much on the topic but i think people should get off his jock...
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agreed!
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Old 06-14-04, 05:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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o.k, everyone here has probly broken the law, purposly or accidenty, marisa you have a good point it is the law. Now there charging steve irwin cause he was close with whales. What about people who kill tigers for there skin, what about the people who kill rhinos for there horn, and elephants. They are trying the best to stop these people but it still happens....out of everyone who hurts wildlife steve irwin was charged for coming clsoe to the whales cause of curosity

Also for the seals and penguins, people have them as pets, the other day they had a story about a man who had a seal, and this was on the animal mircles(sp)

"In fact, we filmed them, they're coming up to me while I'm on the iceberg, they're swimming all the way around me and I was freezing to death."

Irwin said that after he returned to the boat, the whales stayed with it for more than two hours.

Now the whales came up to him, and it was all an accident. He did not mean to meet up with these whales. If theres a video we could have seen maybe it would make more sense as to what happened.

My point is that i dont think he should be charged but just a warning, there going a bit far

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I agree with that as well. A warning is enough. I never said he needed prision time.

I just do not agree with statements like "get off his jock" and who cares. Beucase if these attitudes prevail, why not let everyone go up to the Antartic and pet whatever they wish?

That was my point. And BTW there aren't tons of people roaming the Antartic not getting charged. It wasn't like he was singled out in that area of the world. It's a strict law for an unforgiving private place that should remain as humanless as possible. Just because tigers are being killed in an overpopulated India, doesn't mean we should just throw all caution to the wind about other unexplored places. The laws work in some cases and in this case I think he should have some sort of punsihment just like you or I would.

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i agree, my point was that charging him was just over board, and should have just gotten a warning.

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"I just do not agree with statements like "get off his jock" and who cares. Beucase if these attitudes prevail, why not let everyone go up to the Antartic and pet whatever they wish?"

Yes you are right, if nothing was done then many people may start to do the same thing, that i can understand. If he was to do it again then he should be charged

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On the show I saw they stated that she was fined a few thousand dollars. Yes the whale brought her back to the surface thus "saving her life" but had it not dragged her under she wouldn't have needed saving. They are wild animals not something to just go play with. I'd love to see these people run into a grizzly, think they would go and pet that???? Just because these animals have been domesticated doesn't mean that they are ok to play with in the wild.

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Nita, you sure she was charged? I saw that video, you forgot to mention that the whale did bring her back up to the surface thus saving her life. (goes to show you how sometimes not all creatures are here to harm us). You made it sound like the whale was trying to kill her, when she wasn't at all.

From what I heard she wasn't charged and started to study those whales.
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Maybe they will reach a settlement and instead of jail time he can just pay the psychiatric bills for the traumatized penguins and whales. TB
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Old 06-15-04, 08:52 AM   #29 (permalink)
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What Law, did he break, exactly? I know the animals are protected, I know he wasn't allowed to be around them, but what law did he break? A wildlife harrassment law or something? Let me know if you guys find out...
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The original post specifically stated that he broke wildlife harassment laws. The ecosystem of that area is a fairly fragile balance and laws have been put into place detailing how close humans can get to which animals under what circumstances. Irwin approached it with his usual asshattery and is thankfully going to be paying the price.

The man has been a black eye to the entire herpetological community for years now, his antics and idiocy affect the way the public views anyone within any of the related fields, he spreads misinformation and lies about the animals, his handling practices are dangerously unsafe... or would be if the specimins hadn't been sitting in a cooler ontop of a bag of ice for half an hour before filming. People on this board are always so quick to blame petstores for all the evil in the hobby (A particularly incorrect and short sighted viewpoint I might add) but if you really want to identify the source of nitwits buying and neglecting animals they know nothing about, Irwin is your man. He is NOT educated or experienced despite the sensationalistic statements which always remain vague burried within his show, he is NOT particularly well respected by those who would be in his "peer" group and he should NOT be touted as a hero for the industry. He is a clown, a jester, a FOOL who's actions are and always have been nothing more or less than damaging to the hobby, science and industry.

The man violated laws... again. Hopefully this time his celebrity status doesn't allow him to escape the penalties he so truly deserves.
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