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Old 09-26-02, 10:59 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think the perfect snake for you would be a rosy boa!!! These guys stay small (2-3 feet), very slow-moving, very tolerant of handling and forgiving in their husbandry, come in all sorts of colour and pattern variations, etc. Even people that are afraid of of snakes don't seem to have a problem with rosy boas
Irian Jayas usually reach lengths of 4-5 feet, some females may exceed 5'. Corns reach the same length, but nowhere near the same mass. They can be good beginner snakes, I personally don't like em. I find them to be too skittish and quick (like all colubrids...yucky! ).
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Here is why I like boas. My hypo 66% het albino
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/500/447dsc00248.jpg">
Albino
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These are 2 of my favorites from my collection. I love the colors samons get they all look different.
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Old 09-27-02, 06:52 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Those are beauties Bryan No doubt about it...

Hmmm... Rosy Boa? Got a pic Linds? Are you sure that those things are good tempered? I seem to remember a leo girl that I know getting one of those for her first snake -- and I also seem to remember seeing quite a few bloody hand pictures By that point I think that she had given the handling of him over to her boyfriend to try and tame him down a bit (the snake, not the boyfriend ! Hehe)... I'd love to see a pic anyways though, maybe this girl just got a particularly bad tempered little brute
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i hope i didn't sound like I was trying to make it tougher for you
the more i see, the more i like and there are so many wonderful pix available
I'm going through a serios snake appreciation phase , that's all
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aw man...
Bryan those are gorgeous!
I have never seen or handled a boa in real life...just pix
i might just have to reconsider...
damn ... the list gets longer
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The garter is always an option, they don't handle well usually but love water and eat fish. African and American Sand boas and the rubber boas make great pets and are not expensive, though may be hard to find a rubber in Canada. African House Snakes are nearly as simple as corns to keep, and the kings and milks have been mentioned. Pines and Bulls make great pets and usually have a little weight advantage over corns. Indigos are great but like the Mandrin are spendy. Rainbows are beautiful as are bloods but they need more specific environments. Look at a pic of a leutistic (sp?) texas ratsnake. The giant madagasscar hognose is another. There are lots of that aren't usually considered when folks ask about first snakes because they just aren't as common and fewer folks are familiar with them. For feeders buy frozen, a mouse may be cute but a mouscicle just doesn't register that way.
 
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I was also going to say "Garter Snake". Handling is about 50/50, I find. Some are great handlers and almost seem social. They will eat worms, frogs, pinkies, fish, home-made food....

They are possibly not THE prettiest snake in the world, depending on your taste, but they do make a great pet, especially for a beginner.

http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/
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http://www.thamnophis.com/features/ScottFelzer/

Godd luck with your move. Victoria is so nice. I might have to join you out there in a few years.....
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Your friend must have bad luck...lol...rosies are probably one of the best natured snakes around! In general they have much better temperaments than corns, kings, sandboas, etc. Here's a few pics of my boy. He's a mexican rosy boa (they are either black and white or brown and cream striped), but these guys come in everything from orange zigzags on a blue base colour to white and red and white striped......

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How about a spotted Python? They stay small around 3 feet. Joe and melissa should have some pic's of them. Mine have bright orange eyes.

http://be7-mail.eudoramail.lycos.com...r_download=yes

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Iwould suggest a rosy boa.Great to handle.Don't get to big(3-4 feet)not to round.great colours.Easy to meet enviroment needs.I think they are great,But so does everybody about their own snakes.Good luck in your choice.
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snakekeeper -- those links didn't work for me... I'd love to see the pics though!

Do all the rosy's have the stripes like that? Or are some banded...

cranwill -- yep, Victoria's very nice I grew up there myself, just moved out to Toronto 3.5 years ago, and now I'm heading back... I'm definitely going to miss all the herp expos and stuff out here though! I don't think there's anything like that out there... although I might go nuts and head out to the TARAS show in Calgary at some point...
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I think that Ball pythons are great begginer snakes, a ball python was my first snake, I was really scared of him at first, cause it was weird, having a snake and all, but now I love him to peices, we have made such a special bond, I and cant wait to spend 20 to 30 more wonderful years with him!! In fact, now that I have gotten this ball python, I just had to get another, so I did, then I got a red tailed boa. Anyways, ball pythons can get to be around 4 to 6 feet, and can live to be 40 years! ( if they are very well taken care of!) They get big enough to eat a rat once every one to two weeks, or something like that, but I truly think they are wonderful snakes. Whatever your decision, good luck and god bless! Also, Corn snakes are good too, I dont know much about em, But I am begging to like them myself, they are beautiful snakes!! Alrighty, good luck and god bless!! Bye bye!
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J.J -- yeah, ball pythons are beautiful 40 years -- holy crap that's a long time! And here I was getting nervous about my leos living until they're 20 They're definitely one that I'm considering -- although I think they get a bit bigger (girth wise) than I'd like... their looks just might win out over that reservation though

The spotted pythons look pretty cool too -- not as stunning in looks, but the size and everything else looks pretty good... And there were definitely some nice looking garter snakes on those websites... I like the size of the rosy boas, but I don't know if I like the look of the stripes...
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I agree a ball python would make a great first pet snake. I have 2 and have 2 more on the way. I just love them so much! They are quite timid when young but with lots of handling they will likely become very tame.

Another good thing about ball pythons is when they feel threatened they curl into a ball hence the name, and if you are afraid of getting bit by a frightened snake then a ball would be the best choice since they rarely bite.

I have never been bit by mine and I have had my female for almost 3 years and my male a year on Nov. 4th (my birthday ). Once they are used to handling they will crawl all over the place, my female hasn't curled into a ball in almost 2 years.

I also have corns, they make excellent pets but if they are startled or frightened they are more likely to bite than a ball. My adult corns are extremely tame and never attempt to bite.

I suppose it all depends on what you want in a snake. Balls and corns get to approx. the same length, but ball pythons have a much wider girth.

Someone also mentioned garters as a first snake. I keep garters and I don't think garters make good first pets for several reasons.

Cons
1/ ppl often dont realize that unless you are giving them proper vitamin suppliments they need a varied diet or else they will become unhealthy and it could lead to serious health problems.
2/ with a varied diet ppl often have a hard time keeping them healthy because the things they eat are not commonly available and must be wild caught (amphibs, fish, worms), this increases the risk of nasty internal parasites.
3/ if feeding wc prey items and you live in an area that gets snow, you won't be able to catach fresh food in the winter.
4/ they are often quite timid as hatchlings and are quite flingy.
5/ when startled most of the time they will musk but sometimes they will bite. Mine are still quite timid and musk me almost everytime I pick them up. It won't hurt you but it stinks pretty bad.
6/ hatchlings and wc adults can be difficult to get feeding

However there are some reasons that garters make good first pets.
Pros
1/ Garters do not constrict their food so if you don't like seeing the little prey's eyes bulge out you don't have to worry about it.
2/ They stay quite small with several species staying in the 2 - 3 feet range.
3/ they do not need to feed on mice, but if you do decide to feed them mice you must scent the prey and make sure it is prekilled or it could mean disaster for the snake since they swallow live.
4/ they are really inquisitive and when you place your hand inside the tank they will often come to investigate (thats what every garter i have ever had has done) and it is really cute to see.

Whichever you decide, try to avoid wc snakes. Often they are fussy eaters, bad tempered and have nasty parasites.

If you would like more information or help finding the right snake for you, email or IM me @ i_love_reptiles@hotmail.com and we'll talk.

Good Luck!
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