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Old 05-18-04, 01:14 PM   #16 (permalink)
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such as hybrids which use fuel cells
The so-called "hybrid" cars are gas/electric. They still pedominantly run on octane (gas) but can also store the energy usually lost in braking (a process called regenerative braking) and use this stored electrical energy for acceleration (the process that consumes fuel greatest).
The so-called "fuel cell" cars that are being used in large numbers in Iceland run on electrical energy that is produced during the conversion of hydrogen and oxygen into water.
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thx ryan i didnt know much about them but i remember the hydrogen thingy now
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And there were articles published this week about hybrid cars not actually being anywhere close to as efficient as claimed.

Still any improvement is better than none.
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Old 05-18-04, 02:53 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Still any improvement is better than none.
You're right and I think that's the key. If everyone had a hybird then you could take that little improvement and multply it over and over and that's where we'd see a change.
Plus, if the majority of North Americans would just get their obese butts out for a walk to the store (as opposed to a drive) then, not only will their health improve, emissions will be lowered and there would be more fuel to go around.
I wish people would just stop the needless driving, and don't get me started on SUV's. Do those business types really need that Hummer H2 to navigate the city streets? Pathetic....
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the hybrid is good for city driving, when you have a lot of stops and stop and goes. Once you hit the highway, your car switches to gaz, so the only good side to a hybrid is for someone who works downtown and doesn't have to use the highway too often...
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the hybrid is good for city driving, when you have a lot of stops and stop and goes. Once you hit the highway, your car switches to gaz, so the only good side to a hybrid is for someone who works downtown and doesn't have to use the highway too often...
Yes, but it's not like it's worse on the highway than any other car (if anything, since hybrids are inherently smaller and lighter, it's better on the highway in terms of gas mileage) and since you don't have to work downtown in order to have to accelerate often, the hybrid is a very good alternative for the environment conscious individual no matter where you drive. It takes very little gas to maintain a speed than to accelerate to that speed, and that's where the hybrid is advantageous - you don't just hit the highway already going 100km/h
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Old 05-18-04, 03:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Funny how were whining about using a non-renewable natural resource...
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Old 05-18-04, 04:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It wouldn't be so bad if point a and point b were closer together...
I commute about 50+k to work, and that's not considered far.
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I spend somewhere in the range of $18-20 usd everyday for my commute. I live in Flint,MI and I commute to Southfield, the whole trip is 56 miles one way! I drive a S10-ZR2 (4WD) that gets about 14 MPG.

And let's be real...If people aren't going to buy any gas today they will simply buy more tomorrow or they bought more last night. We're not just going to walk to work to teach the gas stations a lesson. Gas prices go up every spring/summer, they will fall again when fall comes around.

I am more upset about road construction than anything else. We have two seasons in Michigan; Winter and Road Construction season! They close I-75 north and south to one lane either way....It makes my commute 1hr45min when it only took 1hr in the winter. And they are saying that road construction will go through November!! Road Rage anyone?
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I spend somewhere in the range of $18-20 usd everyday for my commute. I live in Flint,MI and I commute to Southfield, the whole trip is 56 miles one way! I drive a S10-ZR2 (4WD) that gets about 14 MPG.

And let's be real...If people aren't going to buy any gas today they will simply buy more tomorrow or they bought more last night. We're not just going to walk to work to teach the gas stations a lesson. Gas prices go up every spring/summer, they will fall again when fall comes around.

I am more upset about road construction than anything else. We have two seasons in Michigan; Winter and Road Construction season! They close I-75 north and south to one lane either way....It makes my commute 1hr45min when it only took 1hr in the winter. And they are saying that road construction will go through November!! Road Rage anyone?


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i am sure someone has posted this already, but if not, i hope everyone realizes that this will not work.

90% of companies buy their gas from, guess who, PETROCAN & SHELL! So even if every person in Canada left those two companies empty, they wouldn't even notice.

sorry, but they have us all by the balls.
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I seen something on t.v (I know, it's in the U.S) but these kids (college kids) reworked the engine of a van to make it run on used cooking greese! like at mcdonalds or KFC frying greese and made it from like mass-california and back or something like that, but it was REALLY far. They just kept stoping at fast food places picking up used greese, and when tested for emmisions they said it was cleaner than any gas or gas/hybrid car.
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I seen something on t.v (I know, it's in the U.S) but these kids (college kids) reworked the engine of a van to make it run on used cooking greese! like at mcdonalds or KFC frying greese and made it from like mass-california and back or something like that, but it was REALLY far. They just kept stoping at fast food places picking up used greese, and when tested for emmisions they said it was cleaner than any gas or gas/hybrid car.
And the exhaust smells like french fries!! No lie!!
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that's the same as biodiesel... you need a diesel engine to do this.
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