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Old 05-01-04, 06:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I agree with V.hb.. Pretty well anyone can breed the more common reptiles out there(such as beardies, cornsnakes, veiled chameleons, leopard geckos, crested geckos,etc...) but why?? There are soooooooooooo many out there now that they are almost a waste of space.. I don't dislike these animals at all, but as V.hb said, where do all the babies go?? The hobby can only handle so many of these animals and the rest parish. The breeders are basically only doing it to make a buck.. Why not put your knowledge to better use and try breeding rarer animals?? Too many people are taking advantage of the money side and not caring enough that these are living animals who have specific requirements to survive... Let's face it, who is going to buy large quainities of baby bearded dragons from the many breedes out there?? Most WILL end up in petstores who couldn't really give a $#!+ about their lives or who they go to... It's either they sell (to any fool with $100) and we make money, or they die and oh well. Money is the heart and soul of evil in this world.. I've heard about petstores getting several threatened (in the wild) animals in and they all die, and all the store says is damn, we lost money on that one.. This is something that irritates me personally very much and V.hb's post has opened a gateway for me to voice my opinion.. I'm glad to see at least one more(and I'm sure most of the people on this forum/site agree) that still have a genuine love for the animals.. Personally, I would rather (and have done so in the past) give my animals away for free to good homes than to sell them to the first moron with a pocket full of cash...
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Wow.. I have been waiting for someone to finally say something like that! Way to go!
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Old 05-01-04, 07:28 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I second that thought!
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Iam willing to put money on the fact that 90% + animals sold in petstores die or are returned in worse condition than the time of purchase within 2 years on average. I would break that down to, 10% find good homes and remain healthy, or gain their health back. 40% die in store, and the other 40% are impulse buys that are the flavor of the week until something a bit fancier comes around, and in the end are bumped down on the totem poll until they find themselves in a freezer from sheer neglect.
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Old 05-01-04, 10:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well,good to see that this issue isn't only in my eyes... Where will this hobby go in a few years?? Know what I mean? I think it's brutal right now..
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Hi, I'm kinda new to this forum,but this has me a little upset.Has anyone here met the people in question? If she looks familiar,maybe it is because she had a booth at the last show,or you saw her display at the Barrie Mall,maybe at a school,or front page of the paper with her coatamundi or on the local cable show "Daytime"(all since March break) I guess the paper did not mention they had a travelling educational show,teaching people about these exotic animals.Yes, I know she had some that were in rough shape,these were the sick and unwanted that were dropped off at the pet store where she worked, or left on their door step. Like any animal lover,you try to save them all, but it dosen't always work that way. Why was the SPCA and police called, maybe a disgruntled landlord?hmmm, or just maybe, is there new compition in town,someone with many animals,almost a small zoo who also does educational parties, hmmm I wonder. All I know is that they love their animals and would not purposly hurt any of them.I spent the weekend with them when they bought the wallaby,hedgehog,monitor and the one pigeon for their son.(only 2 weeks ago)They have always been there to help me with questions and willing to lend there support so don't jump to conclusions, take a good look around your own home, be honest,what would the SPCA claim if they barged into your domain with no warning. Terri
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Old 05-03-04, 08:43 AM   #24 (permalink)
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SPCA or any forum member here could walk into my herp room at ANY time and NOT see dead animals, deplorable conditions, especially not in such a way my child needs to be removed from my home. What you are saying she didn't clean up after stuff for 1 day and now its a conspiracy to take her kid away? Yeah uh huh.

Let me tell you what happened here IMHO. A person wanted to help out animals and for a long time has probably done their best with them. But like in many MANY other cases, this person did not know when to say no. This person possibly had other life issues and didn't know when to admit the animals were too much. Then things escalate to the situation officers found and neighbors complained about.

It's only the people who truely care that know when to say enough is enough and realize their family and they need the personal time before they can take on any more pets. It's simple to say no, and it would have been simple to avoid this situation.

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SPCA or any forum member here could walk into my herp room at ANY time and NOT see dead animals, deplorable conditions, especially not in such a way my child needs to be removed from my home. What you are saying she didn't clean up after stuff for 1 day and now its a conspiracy to take her kid away? Yeah uh huh.

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I did not read anywhere in this article that she lost her child please keep the facts straight. This article is so vague I find it amusing that everyone believes this article right off the bat but when they find a corn snake in someones apartment and call it a cobra everyone laughes and calles the SPCA a bunch of idiots,
I have done rescue for the spca before because they usually kill the reptiles before they atempt to rehabilitate it so as for the herps being in their hands is in no way better. Dead is dead.

If I am wrong in this I apologize but I have personally driven around to 10 different ones and inquired about what happens to herps that have been recovered or dropped off and gotten the same responce "we did not have the facilities to care for them so we had to put them down."
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I did not read anywhere in this article that she lost her child please keep the facts straight.
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I am glad the animals AND child (also noted in two of my papers) were removed.
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Actually it was mentioned in almost every single news source that a child had been removed. I have it right here in my paper.

Even IF the child was not removed and the news sources are all wrong, the artciles mention the following pets:

Snakes (boas, pythons, King snakes)
Iguanas
Chameleons
Monitor Lizards
Cayman
Scorpions
Tarantulas
Hedgehogs
Ferrets
Prairie dogs
Wallaby
Turtles
Coatamundi
Hyrax
Pigeons
Cockatiels
Mynah Birds


You really think ANYONE who is not lisenced in some way should have this many animals and of this type? Wallabys, Cotamundi, Caimens and moniters? I am sorry some of you may personally know this person, but they did something wrong. Another qoute which is the same in all my news sources:

"One of the largest removals of its type undertaken by the Ontario SPCA"

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"removed approximately 200 animals "

"discovered animals in cages throughout the two-story farmhouse in extremely unsanitary and poor living conditions."

I am sorry. Anyone who thinks these calaber of animals can be housed properly in a two story farmhouse has problems. Lets even assume its a giant house...then why the disgusting conditions?

They simply got in over their head and didn't know when to say no. Which is why after almost five years of reptile ownership, I still own less than 20 reptiles. Its called self control, knowing your limits and being honest with yourself.

Not only has this person suffered the loss of her "pets" but she has succesfully put HORRIBLE attention on those of us who AREN'T animal hoarding and who actually follow the "rules" I mentioned above about knowing personal limits. Thanks for the bad press lady!

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i totallt agree with V.hb, its so hard to find good homes for are herps now,espically if were breeding common's. At the end of the day what are you gunna do when you've got loads of leo or corn babies on your hands,espically if there not morps. Theres no way of bein able to aford keeping them,to make sure they stay in a good home. Mabey we should started getting our herps nutured?
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Old 05-03-04, 10:24 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Sunrunner, the SPCA deals with IDIOTS daily. Why wouldn't they be a bit tired of dealing with idiots, that call THEM idiots? sounded like a riddle....(no iam not calling you an idiot, just herpers in general that dont understand the spca's position)

I use to work in a few petstores, where I spoke to the SPCA on a very frequent basis, as many complaints came in, (usually for the sale of arachnids.) They were always pretty decent with me, and knew I cared for the animals in the store with everything I had available to me. They are just fed up. And I'am too, to be honest.

It all comes back to the breeders responsibility, and of course the pet store owners, and the importers etc. To much is about money, like said previously money is evil. Animals are tossed around to make a few bucks. I can name off many people on this very site that buy and sell to profit, regardless of where the animal goes. Then, the animals stress builds up, health falls and it ends up with good people that want to help it and they get nailed. May not be fair, but its still a long line of responsibility that has been broken in one way or another..
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Just to set the record straight I do not know these people personnally and the article that I read did not mention the child I agree that this was horrible but either way it is sad because in MY experience the SPCA usually puts these animals down if I didnt make that come across well enough i am sorry I am speaking out of my own knowledge of thewm not anyones elses.
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