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Old 02-11-04, 09:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I have used what I think is a relatively new version of GIMP (I tested it out about 6 months ago at work), and though I was impressed by how far it has come, I'm afraid it is leaps and bounds behind photoshop. I'm not a loyalist at all - in fact, I still think that OS/2 was WAAAAAY better than Windows, but it didn't have the support Microsoft had. I think Windows sucks in every way, but I stick with Adobe and Macromedia products simply because they are the best.
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Another OS/2 geek!

Hehe, OS/2 rocked. If they had incorporated a boot mode that supported games better it might have caught on in the general public. Some banks still use it.

Gimp is a good tool, but like most linux tools it's designed by programmers as opposed to interface designers It's very hard to leave photoshop once you get familiar with the tools and hotkeys. It becomes second nature. Gimp and PSP need to keep working to get to that ease-of-use.
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Old 02-11-04, 09:55 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Invictus, macs aren't as expensive as you think I did two comparisons between two similarly configured mac and dell laptops, a low end and high end comparison. in the low end the dell beat out the mac by about $200 (1500$ for the dell compared to $1700 for the mac), where the higher end mac beat out the dell by a similar margin ($2300 compared to $2500). I didn't compare desktops as I wouldn't buy one.

now when comparing PC's and Macs you have to remember that macs run with RISC processors and you can't compare MHz directly. Mac programs also tend to be way smaller then their windows counterparts as well so you don't need as much harddrive space. And now that Macs have OSX you not only have all the previous Mac software but you get unix software as well (most stuff that runs on BSD will run on Mac OSX if you can compile it). Now macs aren't perfect, but they're pretty nice.

You can pick one up used on ebay for a fair price too.
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When shopping for laptops I would avoid Dell like the plague. They've got a bad rep for overheating.

My coworker has the 15" inch screen powerbook, and it's a beauty. It had bad solder joints though so it's out for servicing now
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I only compared it to dell because they're pretty cheap, for wintel notebooks my first choice is ibm thinkpads. if i couldn't have a think pad i'm not sure who i would go with.

My main complaint with Mac laptops is that &#@& touch pad.
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Lisa, that's great news that macs have come down in price so much. I think I'll start looking more closely again. And you're right, the RISC architecture just dances circles around comparable SISC processors like the Intel. Though I do have to say this about Intel... their Xeon processors are absolutely beyond incredible. Our production Oracle server at work is running Linux on dual Zeon 2 GHz processors, and let me tell you.... we benchmarked that thing at 100 X the performance of a similar SUN running Solaris, the world's most notorious resource pig.

Cruciform - Haha, right on man! Nice to know I'm not alone in thinking that OS/2 could have world domination right now if they had just had better marketing. OS/2 Merlin was just a thing of beauty.
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If you know someone who can hack BSD, please introduce me to them so I can call them a liar right to their face.
http://www.zone-h.org
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BSD systems are exploitable. If you want to be sure that the defaced sites listed are BSD systems, use netcraft's tools to verify.
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Most likely the fault of bad system administrators. I was exaggerating on my post, it was meant to be a little tongue-in-cheek. Obviously nothing is hack-proof. But compared to other OSs out there, BSD is known as being the most secure on the market.
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here's interesting news http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/....html?security

it's about some one sueing MS for releasing such cruddy operating systems.

BSD like most unix/linux systems suffered from ssh vulnerablities amongst other things.

I have a computer that is hack proof... but it doesn't connect to the internet (i'm not even sure it can).
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Today's news:

The source for Win2K and XP has been leaked.

This will probably lead to several major exploits in the near future.
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and maybe some bugfixes!
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They won't come nearly as quickly as the exploits. We've worked with them, and they have a standard process for testing that takes time.
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Old 02-12-04, 09:59 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Hi everyone:

Wow thought to let a few people see what I wrote and it went wild on so much more information, very cool.

That my 2cents.

Cya...

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99% of problems with home PC's and almost as much are due to opperator error/stupidity/lack of knoweledge/lazyness. It doesnt matter what OS you are running. An up to date virus scanner and firewall are mandatory. Not to mention the thousands of boneheads who get suckered into opening virus laden emails. People need to take responsability for thier computers and educate themselves. Its all fine and dandy to blame microsoft but people need to take some personal liability for thier own computer security.

I havent had an active viruson a PC since I retired my Amiga 1000. More than 9 years ago.
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DERRICK:

That is pretty much what I was about to say - qoute on qoute.

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