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Old 02-10-04, 11:44 AM   #16 (permalink)
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sounds to me that this dude (wrx) has deeper issues, (perhaps from his childhood) than the mere fact that he just doesn't like pit bulls.
For someone his age...wouldn't you think he would be more mature about this??? pfffft..some people
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Old 02-11-04, 02:07 PM   #17 (permalink)
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some people cannott be plactaed no matter what is said and it is pointless to try. S/He seems to have more issues than just this or perhaps he/she was bitten by one before?
Sweeping generalizations about certain breeds withstand regardless of how many "Nice" examples of that breed are shown.
It is irresponsible reporting IMO, but sensational stories sell papers.

I too have seen wonderfully sweet Pits, and I have also seen quite aggressive ones although they aren't the norm. Personally I don't trust any dog 100%, even my own two. While I don't believe that they would ever intentionally hurt me bad things DO happen. And as several people stated here I would NEVER leave my children unattended with large, possibly aggressive dogs.

Better safe than sorry.

Oh, and I hope those children aren't forever traumatized by this. Being as young as they are I hope they can get past it at some point and be able to enjoy the company of a dog.
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Old 02-11-04, 03:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Oh, and I hope those children aren't forever traumatized by this. Being as young as they are I hope they can get past it at some point and be able to enjoy the company of a dog.
I hear ya on that...unfortunately...when our pug was just a pup. My friend bought his son over...I had our dog in the kitchen but my 5 yr old open the gate..without my knowledge..and before you know it..he went over to my friends son ..and was just playin..but got him with a claw in the cheek...he wasn't bad at all..just scared he crap out of his kid...now he is terrified when he comes over...I have to put the dog downstairs...hopefully one day as he gets older he will get past it...my dog was just playin and didnt mean harm..but unfortunately..the kid is now scared. My dog is exciteable and a bit protective..but once people get through the door and he gets to meet them...he totally calms down and is fine..I just wish this didn't happen..cause usually he is great with kids.

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Old 02-11-04, 04:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
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That's a shame. Even accidents can have lasting effects.

That also brings up a good point (although it did not happen in the above example), the dog or the owner for that matter is not always solely responsible for some of these incidents.
Many times children can cause these kinds of attacks, not that they intend too of course! by that I mean that maybe the kids pull too hard on their (dog's) ears, tail etc. I realize that you would hope that your dog would be oblivious of these types of things, but maybe not always. I just watch 'em like a hawk when kids are around. I don't want to be responsible for something like that.
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I'm torn on the whole pit bull issue.

There are many, many more attacks each year by other breeds, as people say. How that applies percentage wise to each breed I don't know. Each Christmas parents by their children dalmations after seeing the disney movies. The general temperament of dalmations is not suitable for being left with small children, and this shows in emergency rooms every where.

The problem with pit bull vs. poodle attacks as well, is that while poodles can be snappy, vicious little things the number of attacks that result in serious injury are few. You can give one a solid kick if you really need to defend yourself and it won't come back. When a pit bull attacks, that's a whole different ball game. You have an animal capable of pulling 2 to 3 thousand pounds of weight, and a jaw strength of 1800 pounds per square inch. This is similar to the bite of a hyena, which can crack large bones in its jaws easily. Coupled with the persistance of the PB when attacking, injuries tend to be extreme compared to attacks by other animals.

I've seen responsible owners, and I've seen idiots. One such idiot was giving his PB beer one afternoon when we came home, and had to walk through the backyard to get to our rear apartment. His dog is not properly socialized, and is easily startled. This fright quickly turns to aggression. He is not a "bad" or "vicious" dog, but he was left running loose and went after my girlfriend because as tenants we're invading his territory when we get home. She received permanent injuries, not from the dog itself, but from evading him.
I have no doubt that at some point in the future this dog will seriously hurt someone because his owner has not taken the time to socialize him or treat him as anything more than a ***** extension, and lets him run loose in a yard with an open gate.

Banning animals isn't the answer, but how do we ban the owners?
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Hey Dave,

Sometimes it's not even a physical trigger that manifests a dog attack. In another forum there was mention of body language when dealing with varanids, in order to keep them calm.

Children are in a bad position when it comes to body language and dogs.

They are at just the right height to maintain eye contact, which some dogs will take as a sign of aggression.

They have no concept of "personal space". When feeding or resting a dog may choose to be solitary. The child can plunk themselves down within arm's length, and ignore the dog, but still trigger a growl or a snap.

Some children have extreme reactions when startled. If something they do agitates the animal, they may become startled by the animals reaction and exacerbate things by flailing their arms and shrieking.

And, of course, their flesh is less protected. A bite from a dog that wouldn't do much more than drive off another dog, can leave a kid with a some pretty nasty wounds. There's no layer of fur, and we don't have the equivalent of things like the scruff of the neck for a dog to grab.

So then we end up with people blaming the dogs, and others blaming the kids, and it's really not the fault of either.

Good to hear you're one of the attentive owners
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Old 02-12-04, 03:09 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You're 100% correct, I did not really mean to blame the kids I was simply stating that it's not just bad owners or bad dogs somtimes accidents happen. The reason I watch so closely is that I would not be able to live with the knowledge that I may have been able to keep something like that from happening. I also want to protect my dogs, they are my responsibility as well and having to put them down would be horrible.

I don't think these kinds of things are ever going to stop. People will always own dogs, good or bad (the people and the dogs) and tragic things happen far too often.
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Sorry, didn't mean to give the impression you were blaming them Was just adding to what you said
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