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Old 12-16-03, 11:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool I will Pay U to show me how to Prob...

Hi every 1. I'm looking for a specialist who can show me some or all of the following things hands on.... How to prob a Banded Cal King snake, and teach me how to milk venamous snakes cause thats what i wanted to do for ever. So if you can teach me those thing i will be greatfull just name ur price cause i have looked every where and i just think there are not enaph people who wana learn how to milk venamous snakes and there for no cources on it. And i do realize that its EXTREMLEY dangerous but i'm willing to take that chance. I live in Canada BC Burnaby.
If any 1 have any information on where i can lern how to milk snakes preferably no too far with in my area plz let me know.
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Old 12-17-03, 12:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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my grammar is just as bad but, I dont think they are going to show a 17 year old who has im guessing not much experience with snakes how to milk em. I could see the probing but not the milking
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I dont know much about milking ...however ..making anti-venom is very easy .. and primitive ...GOOD LUCK
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Well i have kept King snakes for over 6 years so i think that should stand for something? Besides the way i see it, its the art of knowing what the snake gona do next before it does it, there for in my opinion the sooner a person starts learning these things the better besides weather i'm 17 or 30 with little expiriance of snakes i do not think it makes mutch difference. Besides i'm just trying to make it easyer on me but if i do not find any 1 who is willing to help me which by the way will help millions of people who need antyvenom, then i will still get a medium venamous snake and do it by my selph if i have to.
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A couple reasons why this will not work out for you (regarding venom extraction):
a) Venom extractors understand all the inherent dangers of venom extraction and have coupled this understanding with years of experience,
b) With this experience has come responsibility,
c) A responsible venom extractor is not going to teach a 17 year old a craft that is life-threatening.

Also, what do you plan on doing with the extracted venom? Unless you have some roaming equines to inject it into and a means to collect the antibodies and synthesize your own antivenin you will have no need for this knowledge.
I don't think private labs will purchase it off of a "credential-less" individual, and more to the point, I don't think there is much of a market in Canada (serpent envenomation causing death has yet to reach epidemic proportions in Canada).
This post just makes me extremely nervous (coming on a public forum and offering money to have someone show you how to milk a venomous animal as your first step in the learning process).
I do not wish to dissuade you from this very subtle science (and exact art), however, I believe you may be going about it the wrong way.
Continue trying to learn about this as much as you can; read books, go to school and develop a reason to justify your "need".
Maybe incorporate some nasty colubrids into your collection and work with them daily and perform mock-milking practices while trying to avoid being bitten (and every time you are bit, make a mental not (better yet, a physical note) that you may have been killed had the animal been venomous). I think this may be your best teacher, as paying someone to show you isn't going to teach you anything more than watching Jim Harrison do it on RealTV.
Good luck to you.

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Old 12-17-03, 01:46 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Well i have kept King snakes for over 6 years so i think that should stand for something?
In this scenario, that really doesn't mean anything....
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Good post Ryan!
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Old 12-17-03, 04:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Mark reads orginal post & just shakes head. Reads Ryans post & starts nodding. 2nd Grant on a fair honest reply & good advice. Mark I.
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hey, get ahold of a four foot nerodia sipideon, those are nonvenomous, andi would be dead right now if they were. they are one of THE meanest snakes ive ever had the pleasure of encountering. GOOD LUCK!
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Why does everyone bad mouth Nerodia sipedon? While some wild specimens will bite initially, not all of them do- it depends a lot on how you catch them. And even those specimens typically stop biting (frequently, anyway) after they have been in captivity for a while. I currently have 1 WC adult and 8 CB juveniles (yes, with permit), and not one of them has EVER bitten me.

Back to the original subject- excellent post, Ryan!

Alex, if you really want to spend (expend?) your life milking venomous snakes, you'll have to move to another country. We don't even produce antivenin for our native rattlesnakes here. You can't just milk a snake in your basement and UPS the venom to a lab.

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Probe a snake ...read a book
Milk a snake........Why...watch TV
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Probing a snake is no big deal... I'd show you for free if you were local. Milking a snake is dangerous to you and stressful on the snake. Why put the snake through this if you are just wasting the venom? You want a thrill? Go out bungee jumping or something like that.
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Thanks guys for all youre helpfull help but i have ti dissagree with some of youre points... in jeneral u say that why to extract vanom from a snake if i'm not gona use it?.. well firstable i do not recall saying i did not wana use it, also first i think i'l need to learn how to milk snakes before i'l even need to know how to make untivenom. How big does that "four foot nerodia sipideon snake" grow? Plass you guys must not forget that befor starting milking snakes there is 1 step which make it a lot safer which is, Get a monthly dose of extremly small proportions of venom in youre blood system so that youre body will have a strong immune system if you do get bitten, and increase the dose little by little in time.
"Chas*e" u said "watch TV" well, by the time i will get all of the specific info from TV i'l be like 90years old lolz.
Can you guys describe how to prob a snake in step by step including the size of a "stick" cause i looked every where and cant seem to find any 1 who can show me who lives in my area?
As for mouving to another country thats a little steep cause i can just ship the untivenom.
Thanks all.
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I'm not even dignifying the Milking thing with a response. Halfly because I don't keep venomous and halfly because, like Lisa said, it's stressful for the snake and I try to not stress my snakes.

As for probing, from what I've heard, I would just read a step by step and try it on your own, I would personally find an experienced prober and have them teach you. You can really damage a snake if you do it wrong, I would hate to make all my snakes infertile.

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Alex,

Get over it while your still breathing.
You sound like your fiending for experience and knowledge.
So tackle the little stuff first...

For example, run a search on Nerodia sipedon and find out about them.
then run a search on probing snakes and you might just come up with what your looking for, and you might learn that that "stick" is actually called a "probe". and that the size of the probe all depends on the size of the snake and ventral opening...

if you cant find anything on google, ill send you a great link.
But no herpetologist or scientist ever got through things without researching for himself.

when you were a child, did you jump into the deep end before learning how to swim? probably not....
So why would you want to do it with something that can potentially kill you.

do you even own a venemous book?
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