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Old 12-17-03, 01:30 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 12-17-03, 01:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Why do you want venom anyway? No lab is going to buy it from you and you will not be able to make anti-venom on your own.

If you really are serious about this...move to Africa or some other place where there are lots of people being bitten by venomous snakes and there is a need to make anti-venom. If you "can't" go some place where milking is usefull...then you are not serious enough about doing it.

If you are so eager to weed yourself out of the gene pool...don't do it in a way that could cause a danger to other people.
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Old 12-17-03, 01:37 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Plass you guys must not forget that befor starting milking snakes there is 1 step which make it a lot safer which is, Get a monthly dose of extremly small proportions of venom in youre blood system so that youre body will have a strong immune system if you do get bitten, and increase the dose little by little in time.
where are you getting the venum from first?
who will administer it?
at what dose?
who's idea is this?
have you spoken to your doctor about this?
have you spoken to your parents about this?

think you need to slow down... as for probing..look through the search botton here and there is lots of info....
have you been keeping these snakes all this time without any bredding projects?
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Old 12-17-03, 02:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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HEHE u guys giving me lots of quistions lolz. Actually thats a very good quistion UpscaleBoas "where are you getting the venum from first?" i did not think about that 1 and have no idea YET. I'm not sure at what dose but there is always time to find out
KristanM I do have time for animals but i just do not like serching for stuff i'd rather ask helpfull people like you. And yes venmous snakes were included.
Guys i see you again starting talking about mouving to another countryes... like i alredy sayd 2 time that i can always ship the antivenom out.
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nad again I will state WHO would EVER buy their ANTIVENOM from a 17 year old Kid? you aren't even legal yet!
I think it is nice that you want to 'expand your horizons' but for a kid who is 17, you don't seem to want to hear what most if not all of the people who replied are saying.

- You are dreaming in technicolor. None of what you said makes any sense, and whatever you think you can do (ship out anti venom to other countries etc..) you aren't tinking realistically.

Just for fun, why don't you try and see if you can FIND anyone who WOULD buy from you first, before you go and endanger your life for nothing. I bet you don't find ANYONE who would use you as a supplier....

Think about it some more, and tell your parents you are thinking along the lines of LEATHAL snakes and see if they agree with you then, I bet the don't...

I just think you have to much growing up to do to be wanting to get into something so serious. Don't get me wrong, this is my opinion, I am not trying to 'bash' you, but maybe you should concentrate more on your education and LIFE than wanting to go down a road that could end it with one simple stupid mistake....

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Old 12-17-03, 02:22 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Helpful people like us tend to be more interested in helping those who help themselves. If you can't spare 2 minutes to try a web search, than why should we be wasting our time on this???

However, I will waste another couple of minutes.

1) Nerodia sipedon- common water snake. Native to Canada in Ontario and Quebec and illegal to collect in both. You might be able to convince a BC pet shop to import a US specimen. They're all WC, cost about $10, and are almost always in terrible condition. Most die within six months without a lot of care. There are better choices out there for 'nasty, bite you whenever they get a chance' snakes.

2) To make antivenin (and this is a gross oversimplification)- first, invest a big pile of money in a horse or sheep farm. In southern BC, I'd guess you need at least $400000 but that's just a guess. Then put another ~$200000 into a lab and the equipment needed to a) milk the snakes in a sterile environment, b) process the horse/sheep blood plasma to get the anti-bodies. Then, get some snakes, milk them, inject the venom into the horses, and wait a little while. Do this in accordance with all animal care guidelines. Eventually extract and process some blood as required. Then, seek FDA approval in the US (and get Canadian approval too, but since we have less than a dozen bites annually, you'll need access to the US market). I'd ballpark the FDA approval process at ~$200000 and several years. If you start now, by the time you're 30 you may just be able to start selling antivenin, and you can start paying off the million dollar plus (those horses have to be fed, you know) loans you've somehow managed to obtain. This assumes that you're still alive- if the snakes haven't killed you the horses probably will:-)

Smarten up, and stop bothering us about this. I hate to be a dreamkiller, but you're beginning to annoy me, and that takes some doing!

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Old 12-17-03, 02:28 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Finally, Thanks for that post Jeff!!!! Very well put! I know your not the only one that thinks this is annoying!
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Kid seriously, just give it up. Expand your collection and read a few books first, maybe in a couple of years when you grow out of that dreamy state of mind of yours you'll be experienced enough to handle hots and even then, like many people here have already said: There is no point in milking snakes by yourself and trying to sell the antivenom, SPECIALLY if you live in freakin' Canada!

Everyone is being very patient with you, but you are clearly too stubborn to take any of the advices given kindly, this is gonna turn out into a big discussion. You are an accident waiting to happen, just give it up and take the logical steps, just like everyone else.
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i feel for you man.........well kinda. i think you have caught the herp bug so to speak. when you get one it leads to an obsession, and you want them all.

there is a reason why we are trying to get you to pace yourself. one is for your sake and wellbeing. the second is for ours, what kind of name do tou think we would get if we told you how to do all the life risking things to a 17 year old, AND online. its a tragedy waiting to happen
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*LMAO* bout' time.
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Old 12-17-03, 02:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I dunno, if it weren't for the liability issues I'm all for giving the kid an adult king cobra and a jar. I think BW has dealt with the perfect speciman for this case... Oh ya, of course the room would be snake proof and alexpan proof.
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Hey guys do not say that i do not lisen to your suggjestions cause i do. I will first get a very agressive snake and practice with it but i just like to take it slow cause, when i'm gona get the venamous snake weather it will be in 2 years or more, i'm gona be prepared fisycally by then but i want to know as much info as possible. Thanks for all youre help guys
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If this is a troll...well done. It sure got us going.
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I honestly hope this is a trolling incident, because I dread to think that someone this freakin' stupid is entering the herp community. I guess we can just kiss all of our herps goodbye after AlexPan gets himself killed by a hot, and his parents go on a crusade to ban ALL snakes.

AlexPan, assuming you're not a troll and you actually are as stupid as you are portraying yourself here, you SERIOUSLY need to WAKE THE HELL UP. You think in 2 years you're going to be ready for a venomous snake? You're going to be DEAD in 2 years from a sakebite if that's what you think. No venomous snake owner in the world is going to teach you how to milk venomous snakes, so just give it up. And if someone ever sells you one of these snakes, I want to know who it is so I can get them shut down permanently.
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Old 12-17-03, 04:18 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Tell me AlexPan, are you aware of your province's and town's laws? I think you may be surprised. Before you start asking how to milk snakes why don't you find out if you are actually allowed to have them first.
Let me know what you find out.
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