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Old 12-17-03, 12:47 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If you want to learn how to probe, it is an OK thing to learn. Aint a bad idea to learn on some DOR if you have the chance, or have a qualified person show ya. You should be able to tell just by looking what your king is though, as most colubrids are to darn easy to tell by looking.

As for the milking, I only see that as nessesary if your working in labratory environment or in some research/conservation study. No need to dose yourself with venom to build up immunities, especially as it seems your not all that experienced in keeping hots. Frankly only a few folks do it, and they still have physical problems from it. They are as well folks that are around MANY venomous snakes a day, and only do it out of their own thoeries on venom. Seriously it just seems silly you would want to follow that route. If your planning on keeping hots, I would push the idea of safety and experience over what you seem to think it is all about.
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Old 12-17-03, 12:48 PM   #17 (permalink)
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No i do not own a venomous book, and i'm verry buissy warking, school, and my snakes so i got no time to serch. Thats why i asked you guys to help me.
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Alex,
when you were a child, did you jump into the deep end before learning how to swim? probably not....
So why would you want to do it with something that can potentially kill you.

heh heh. I did. didn't realize that you had to learn how to swim first.

AlexPan: you shouldn't play with venom until you learn how to spell it and antivenom.

As for making antivenom do you have any idea how it's made and what technology is involved? You talk about self envenomating, do you have any idea what the risks are? Have you even consulted a doctor on your plans to self envenomate? I also suggest consulting a shrink in your case.

No responsible hot keeper will give you access to their snakes for the purpose of envenomating yourself, it's just too risky for the hobby. If you want to self envenomate buy your self a snake and go from there on your own but first make your will out leaving all your valubles to me.
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Look guys all i want it to lern the proces of milking by it selph. It does not matter if i'l ever gona use venom which i actually do, in making untivenom. I got no lab nor nothing but a person have to start some where and i will get that four foot nerodia sipideon but after i will, i still need some 1 to show me how to milk snakes.
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This info gonna lead to a lawsuit!!
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Old 12-17-03, 01:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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No i do not own a venomous book, and i'm verry buissy warking, school, and my snakes so i got no time to serch. Thats why i asked you guys to help me.
See fella, that is where we are coming from. Not to bruise your ego, but dude.....

It takes a LOT of time, energy, careful planning, safety precautions and smarts to even care for ONE venomous snake. If you have not even one of these, it is a grave mistake to take up venomous collecting. Also, you need time to study. It took me many years to understand even one species of interest.

I can only work with native snakes here in AZ. I have been dealing with them a lot growing up, so I got a 'head start' naturally, but still did not seriously collect untill recently. I have been rescueing and removing and dealing with snakes in the wild for years. It was not something I could ever learn buy paying for a few 'classes' to cram as though I was studying for a math test. DUDE...when we say it is serious, we mean it is serious. You really and trully should take the time to read books, study natural history on species and fully understand everything and anything related to the subject. We come off hard on you because we do understand what takes place. You just need to understand that. Seriosly concider finding the time, or honestly loose the idea of ever getting that far into collecting.
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Old 12-17-03, 01:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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What reason have you given anyone to help teach you to milk venmous snakes? First off owning a cal king for 6 year and thinking you can jump into milking hots is the equivalent of me saying I owned a cat so I will jump into a pit of tigers. Its ridiculous! Second as Jeff already said there is no need for it in Canada. Third, since your 17 I'm guessing you live with your parents, have you asked them about brining venmous snakes into THEIR house? Fourth lets just say no one helps you and you ignore all this GOOD advice, and you get a venmous animal. If you dont have time to reseach or read about snakes milking etc. how are you going to have time to care for these animals let alone TRY and milk them?

I find your post disturbing, and you are an accident waiting to happen! Think about it, cal king then on to venmous does that sound even the least bit logical? You indangering yourself and if you dont realize that, then this is a lost cause.

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HEHE!! thats funny Lisa . Who or what is a shrink? I did not consulted a doctor for self envenomation but, if i did i think he would think i'm a terroris or something lolz but i probably will ask him. I have no idea how the antivenom is made but, if you do can u give me a slite idea plz? And yes i do realize of all the risks i would be taking in milking snakes but i'm willing to take then in return i'm gona get experiance.
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Well KristenM as i said before, i can always send antivenom to another countries. Yes i do live with my parents but i have a FULL promission of keeping snakes IF i know how it all warks and what to do in an imergancy. Like i said i will get my selph that four foot nerodia sipideon to get me started and only after i am intending on getting a venomous snake.
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you've been on this site for atleast 1/2 an hour today....
it only takes 20 seconds to type in probing/sexing snakes and have a gazillion pages pop up, same goes for any search.

Perhaps we lost you a few posts back, but i have the feeling we never had you from the get-go.

and a little bit of advice...
most ppl on this site are very receptive towards young kids wanting to expand there knowledge on different topics concerning reptiles....however, you must approach it with atleast 5% common sense for us to take you somewhat serious...

So far, your in and around a -10% with me.
Go read through the hundreds of posts in the venemous forum, for starters.....
then feel free to ask the same question there that you have asked here....
believe me...were being angels compared to those monsters!! LOL
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Well i just checked in Yahoo and Google serch for a "nerodia sipideon" and if found NONE. Is this the wright spelling or is there an alternative name for this snake?
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Heres your info:
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Also, for basic info on relatively every species of herp...go here (where the link above is from).
The EMBL Database
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First off you never answered my first question why should anyone teach you, you have minimal snake experience. Did your parents say that venmous snakes were included? Just because you are going to get yourself a water snake, doesnt mean you wll be prepared at all! They dont hook well , and they dont have very big teeth compared to some of the fangs of other venomous snake species. And if you dont know anything about venomous snakes how do you know what to do in an emergency? Maybe it will only be when you are bit that you realize what you have gotten yourself into. You also didn;t answer my question about having time for the animals. What countries are going to buy homemade anti-venom from a 17 year old?
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