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Old 11-06-03, 04:58 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Okay to be quick and brief... EVERY SINGLE thread that has been about religion and politcs turned into a flame war period. These topics are NOT and will NEVER be allowed on the site period. I dont have time, my moderators dont have time, the members dont have time to deal with all of the BS and problems that comes from political and religous threads and if you do have time there are alot of political forums as well as religious forums of every religion or faith, run a google search and find one and feel free to post away!! This has nothing to do with my beliefs or anyone elses regardless of what they are... They are banned and will remain banned, period.
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Old 11-06-03, 05:34 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I haven't read the 6 pages of replies, but IMO it isn't that hard to understand.
In thise case religion does not equal morals. It means talking about religion! Debating what group is better, atheism, etc. Talking about the best way to kill a rat, imo, has little to nothing to do with religion.
Same with a new law... saying "proposed law will punish sex offenders more strictly" or whatever is far different than saying "George Bush is a moron".

The threads that are deleted/banned are the ones that have/will turn into an argument. I don't think a post about a proposed law to ban snakes somewhere will create a huge flame war... but something about liberals vs conservatives will.

I don't see any ambiguity here.

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Old 11-06-03, 05:39 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Hey man it's your site, ban whatever you want, it was never my intention to pretend anything else was going to happen. What so many people fail to understand is that saying "no politics" doesn't mean a thing so go ahead and ban it all you like, it won't do a lick of good. It comes down to this: you can either allow people to express themselves freely with the limitation that they aren't to be abusive or you can say no one can talk about anything but herps. All this wishy-washy nonsense about things being political or religious just doesn't make sense. Honestly, what do you mean by politics?? Does that mean we can't discuss laws? What if the laws pertain to herps? And how about religion, what do you mean by that? Does that mean that no one can talk about snakes in the Bible? See how murky and silly that gets? How is anyone supposed to know when they've crossed that invisible line? What criteria is used to decide? Doesn't it take a lot more time to determine whether a conversation has crossed over into the imaginary realm of politics and religion than it would to just close a thread or warn/ban an offending member when they resort to insults? Like I said, I know I have no say in this, I 'm just pointing out that this one rule is a useless one. Keep it if you like, it's certainly your prerogative to do so, I still won't understand it but I think I can avoid any problems by simply being respectful of the views of others. If those views don't make sense then I will point it out just as I have here, in a logical and respectful way.
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Old 11-06-03, 05:56 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Mouse really the only one who is getting technical and silly is you.... Lets put it this way then... Any political / religious thread that myself or any mod on the team wants to remove will be removed... Either way you dice it they will be removed as we see fit.. Im done talking about it.
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I don't think a post about a proposed law to ban snakes somewhere will create a huge flame war... but something about liberals vs conservatives will.
At least a post on the banning of snakes is somewhat relevant to this site, don't you think?? LOL!

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Corey, some what?! Your confusing me man!
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It comes down to this: you can either allow people to express themselves freely with the limitation that they aren't to be abusive or you can say no one can talk about anything but herps.
I think it's time for a little common sense Mousekilla. Would you really like to live in a world where the boundrys are so cut in stone? Jeff hasn't enforced such strict rules, and I don't want him to.

Frankly I don't think threads about muscles or cars or music should be posted either, but I do what everyone else does who feels this way. I don't read it!
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Old 11-06-03, 06:19 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Jeff,

I understood that already and acknowledged it several times. You can do whatever you like on your site and no one can force you to make sense. You haven't begun to explain what this unclear rule means so by saying you're done with the subject you're saying that you're just going to be arbitrary about what threads are closed. If that was what was intended then why not state THAT in the rules instead? One last thing, why get so upset over something that has caused people to post so much? Isn't it a good thing for you when a lot of people use your site and see the advertising and maybe buy memberships? I know I personally don't just come to look at the pictures and read the ads.

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I have already said that the rule isn't enforced anyway and that is what makes it so stupid. Threads get shut down not because of their topics alone but because some moron comes along and resorts to personal attacks. It's silly to blame any one topic for the rudeness of a few trouble makers.
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Threads get shut down not because of their topics alone but because some moron comes along and resorts to personal attacks. It's silly to blame any one topic for the rudeness of a few trouble makers.
I DO agree with you on this point.
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I think this is now becoming silly. Again i have to sit and watch a thread that now even Jeff has jumped into and said hes done with it..yet it continues.

I guess since ppl want a clear definition of the rules...since none of us are lawyers...we should probably get the sites lawyer to draw one up. Im sure it will be long and expensive so MouseKilla since your so insistant on a clearer definition of the rules and where and how they apply, i need your address to know where to send the bill! LOL!

I think the answer is this....hopefully cause i don't want to see Jeff get mad...no one wins when Jeffy gets mad

I think an outright ban is personally impossible on these two topics. Mainly for the reason they they transend various boundaries. What i think is really meant...is that we ask that the topics be avoided. Basically they are not topics depending on the extremity of the content that we want to see here. And if and when they appear, we will decide as a management group to deal with the thread at our discression.

I hate being crass but im getting to that point...so its simple...like it or lump it. There is lots of sites out there. Lots of forums...ppl like to complain. Its just human nature i guess. So keep complaining...eventually your webmaster will get so frustrated that he will just pull the site down! Really what would Jeff lose? The site draws little income as it was never meant to be a business in the first place. Everything is free...the set up is great..and it costs Jeff out of pocket large amounts to keep it here month after month! So im wondering why still complain. Instead, pay for the site for one month and then you'll see first hand how much work this labour of love really takes. I make a good living..and im paying for our sister site. Im telling you, im not sure if i would continue to pay out of pocket as much as Jeff does for a site like this month after month only to have ppl complain about the little things! What about the other things...like a site that is free...a site that is dominent without the rude tones as the other sites? A site that goes to shows and meets members. A webmaster who participates! I guess in the end the real answer lies in this...If you can do it better..build your own site...gather up your piggy bank and go nuts!
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Wow, this is unbelievably dumb.

Mousekilla, just out of curiosity, if you respect all of the mods' rules, then why do you have to question them? Why can't you just let them rest? If you respect everything that they say, why argue over it? All you need is a bit of common sense to know that when they say "No Threads Involving Religion and Polotics", they mean nothing offensive that falls into those catergories. Sure, a topic about snakes being banned in who knows where involves polotics, but is it offensive? I dun think so! I am definitely not the smartest member on the site but even I was able to figure that much out.
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