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Old 10-29-03, 06:56 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Great post Grant... I only had 15 snakes maximum at one time and for the same reasons you just listed, I have only 3 snakes remaining aswell... The 3 that i kept were the 3 that I have always wanted / favorite on the bunch!! I couldnt be more happy with them and I have alot more fun with the 3 then I ever did with the 15....

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A lot of ppl (many that i dont even know) have contacted me regarding why i have suddenly decided to sell off ALL of my blood pythons.
And since my name was mentioned, i guess this is as good of thread as any to let ppl know whats up.

I few years ago, i found a species of snake that i liked very much so i decided to work exclusively with them. i worked hard at acquiring only the best of specimens and found myself with a fairly nice collection.
I did the website thing, built the rep, pondered on the idea of making a living off of it but thought realistically and decided to just have it as an intense hobby with hopes of eventually acquiring some albinos and hopefully breeding them, and continuing to work with this awesome species as well as provide others with my offspring.

I hope i showed over the past couple of years that this was never just for the money (cause money was never made), and i think my work on my website and the knowledge i gave on the forums proved that. Believe me, when i say i really loved the animals.

I sacrificed alot of time and money just to acquire and keep healthy animals in proper caging and with proper husbandry.

All the initiative, smarts , and passion was there, HOWEVER, i was lacking time, space and money to fully satisfy myself.

i got to a point where i had close to 25 snakes in a small apartment that no longer held any individual value other then there worth.

They were being fed to reach a breeding size, rather then being fed to just watch them grow.

They were being checked on, to see if they were breeding or ovulating, not to take out and handle just for the fact of handling your pet.

There temps were being cooled, not because they needed it, but because it was neccessary if they were going to breed and produce babies.

They were being kept in rubbermaids, not because they liked living in little plastic boxes, but because it was more space efficient and meant MORE SNAKES!

Basically, what im trying to get at (incase you havn't already figured out) if you decide to go "big time", there will come a point when you are no longer really interested in each snake and like them for what they really are when you have 100's of snakes, bills to pay and you are RELYING on these animals to produce babies to cover those expenses.

I felt like I got a ton of bricks dropped on my head when it finally hit me , and it was upsetting to say the least. I for one didn't get into this hobby to make it rich. i got into this hobby because i liked the prehistoric look of those rescued iguanas, i liked how those boas were so damn clingy and never wanted to get back in there cage. i liked how that little poison dart frog could be so small yet have such awesome colours.

So my advice to you is, if you love reptiles, is let the other ppl breed and make money off herps (if they make any at all).
Enjoy your animals and finish school and think about getting into a different line of work.
Because when you come home from a hard day from where ever...you'll enjoy feeding your snakes.
But when you stay home day after day, cleaning up *****, changing substrate, buying and selling animals, and spending 1/2 your day with rodents, you wont appreciate those little things anymore.

and for me, that is why i keep these reptiles.
I am now very content with the 3 snakes i am keeping now. i gave em big vision cages, heat panels , plastic plants, and even flourescent lighting!!!! (if you can believe it..LOL)


And for the record, there are rumours spreading as to why i am selling my snakes (dont ask me why?) and i hope the above has clarified that for anyone wondering...
So please let me sell my snakes AND keep my dignity at the same time.

thanks,

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ITs geko's life and his choices.
Regardless of my stories, corey's stories, jeffs stories, or whoever else's stories, he'll eventually end up with his own story...lol


I never said that it cannot be done, and done properly. but only very few who set out to do something of this sort, truly succeed.
and by success, i mean keep and breed these animals for a living and still truly love the animals for what they are.

If there were no commercial breeders, this hobby wouldn't be close to where it is now. Infact i think we need many more breeders here in canada, my point was more along the lines that not everyone is made for commercial breeding.

And chances are, if you go full steam, that apreciation for each animal will be somewhat lost...a new realization i have just come across...

it was just something for him or whomever to think about...

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yeah grant i get it! what would be the best i think is breed an expensive snake such as albino balls or womas or diamond pythons or something, get a pair breed them, keep 2 of the clutch and then you produce a good amount of them to sell and make good money, ontop of another job of course
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I think your on to something Clarke....lol
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haha grant that made me seem more excited then i really am, its just an idea that obviously other people have had. the problem is getting 10,000 for a pair of albinos or getting hets and praying for some
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Awesome post, Grant! :thumbsup:
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Great post, Grant. Your story is the exact reason why I have steered clear of breeding. I would love to do it. I'm sure we all would. But, losing the passion that drives me today is not worth it to me. I enjoy them too much to have it taken away that easily.
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Thank you for that story Grant. I to wanted to breed...but I don't want to look at a snake and try and figure out how much it's worth. I think I'll stick to keeping them as pets and maybe rescue....you really shed new light on "breeding"........
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I agree, Grant's post was very good, but let's not be mistaken people. He said that for HIM, breeding would entail losing interest in the animal specifically. This doesn't necessarily apply to everybody!! LOL!! 4 people have now said that they won't breed because they don't want to lose interest in animals??!! LOL! Excuse me, but I just find that altogether tooooo funny. You lose interest in animals because you lose interest. Maybe its because you acquire too many to enjoy or maybe its because your outlook and interests change. But owning 100 breeding snakes does NOT make you lose interest in them by default. Ha ha!!

Grant had a GREAT anecdote/story. It was personal and provided great insight. But it won't necessarily be EVERYONE'S story. Not by a longshot.

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This has been a really hot topic.
I don't think that we will reach a consensus. Different people have/will have different stories to tell. You can advise someone all you want but ultimately they will make their own decisions. My point was that getting your education and having something to fall back on is the best course.
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My point was that getting your education and having something to fall back on is the best course.
That is SOUND advice for ANYONE in any walk of life, not just breeding reptiles. For sure.

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Yes, getting a formal education first is the way to go. Not only b/c it is becoming a social norm, but also for self development and growth. There are a lot of thought processes and decision making criteria that you learn from a formal education that is transferable to all walks of life. Nevermind the simple things like knowing when to you use you "2s". If you do not know weather two use your tos from your toos from your twos, it speaks lots about you.



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If you do not know weather two use your tos from your toos from your twos, it speaks lots about you.


LOL and the right "whether"s
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Ha ha, "THEIR" you go again. LOL!
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Uh, Jeff dont you meen "there" you go? Yeah that's right, or is it ya that's right.
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