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Old 10-25-03, 02:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Dr. Dawn Ruben "Snakes are not poisonous and frogs are not venomous. Venom is a toxic substance that is injected. Certain species of snakes, scorpions and spiders are venomous, not poisonous...A poison is a substance that is absorbed through the skin or ingested, resulting in toxicity. Certain amphibians, fish and insects secrete a substance that is poisonous. The poisonous animal does not inject the substance into another creature."

This is off the San Diego zoo site in the children's questions section "First, there’s technically a difference between poisonous and venomous. Poisonous means that something is toxic if it is swallowed or absorbed. Venomous describes an animal that injects toxic venom into another animal, usually with teeth or fangs but sometimes with spines or spurs."

and this is off The American Board of Veterinary Toxicology website.
"A note about the difference between the terms POISONOUS and VENOMOUS. A mistake is commonly made using either of these terms interchangeably. While related, these terms have distinctive, unique meanings. A poisonous animal or plant contains a toxic substance within it constituent parts or on its surface. Poisonous is the term that describes the majority of plant derived toxins as well as polar bear liver (vitamin A), poison arrow frogs or toads. The term venomous means that the organism has a toxic substance and a specialized organ for delivering this substance. Some examples of venomous animals and their venom delivery apparatus are bees <the stinger>
venomous snakes <the hollowed fang> scorpions <the stinger>."
 
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for a little leviety did you know that there is one genus of birds with I think 5 species that is poisonous.
 
Old 10-25-03, 03:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Well, something can be "scientificly correct" and actually I am asking as general usage, I'm not writing any scientific papers, I'm looking at it more from a language point of view. I think it's safe to say most people on this site are not biologists, chemists, biochemists organic chemists or the like. The point I'm trying to make is there's no reason for people to get upset over a simple difference of words.
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Old 10-25-03, 04:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Semantics......Tomato's ...Tomatoes.
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Old 10-25-03, 04:21 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I think the term 'common usage' should be changed to 'common mis-usage'
 
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Ignorance may be understandable, but is never excusable.

The average lay person does not know the difference between a Burmese python and Boa constrictor. Are you suggesting it is OK to use these names interchangeably, after all they are both Boids and are both constrictors?

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Hey, Lisa,
Chase and I agree with you, Semantics, but this issue will never be resolved among the reptile community. It is right up there with "free handing hots" and "venomoids". If we all agreed on these issues this site would be boring.

Reverandsterlin,
I see what you and others are saying about the use of Venomous (which I use myself) and Poisonous. I just do not think that the "common" people should be reprimanded for using the wrong term. If my mechanic made fun of me everytime I told him there was a clinking noise coming from that "thingie" right there I would quit going to him. When people come up to me and ask me about the poisonous snake I gladly talk to them about it and hope to spark and interest within them to care about reptiles and then let them pick up on the "lingo" when they get into learning about them.

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Old 10-25-03, 09:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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It's up there with the whole square/rectangle thing, too. All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. All venoms are poison but not all poisons are venom. At least folks are in the ballpark, calling a shape a shape's name and a toxin a toxin's name. I am not going to lose sleep over people using or misusing any of these terms, there are bigger fish to fry.
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Ahhhh, come on Eyespy, I know you lay awake at night just trying to come up with ways to solve this slaughter of the herpetological language.

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Joe, I'd far rather lose sleep watching nocturnal herps and enjoying a strong cup of tea.
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Poison birds...? Damn, I thought I made those up...LOL!
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Old 10-26-03, 09:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I knew I had an old pic I had found somewhere

the hooded pitohui harbors the powerful neurotoxin Tetradotoxin
in its feathers. Chemically, this is an identical molecule to that
found in Central American poison dart frogs (genus Phyllobates).
Whether the toxin is produced by the bird, something in its diet,
or an associated bacterium is unknown.
 
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oops
 
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oh and the Ifrita kowaldi (another bird genus) in Africa was found with the same alkyloids
 
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I wonder what the reason behind that is? Does the bird taste bad and the predator lets it go? Seems to serve no helpful purpose for the bird if him and the predator die.
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