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Old 10-23-03, 01:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
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black eastern hognose im pretty sure
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Old 10-23-03, 02:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Heterodon platyrhinos? Could ya throw in a belly shot?
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nope, sorry...
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the pics i have posted, are the only ones i have of that snake...


anymore guess's?
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Old 10-23-03, 06:27 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Doesn't quite look like a melanistic garter to me . I'm going with eastern hognose.
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Old 10-23-03, 06:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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looks like a black racer but i dont know if there range is that far north.
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ummm I would have said it looks similar to a water snake, the face and all, and the striking reminds me of the water snakes down here. I know hognose snakes would rather play dead than bite, and they dont really strike with their mouth's open so it cant be one of those. But it sure does resemble a melantistic garter or ribbon snake of some sort or maybe a racer. Let us know Jordan!!
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I is a melanistic garter for sure....... Even has the white patch under its chin.......
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Old 10-23-03, 10:55 PM   #25 (permalink)
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hmm...white patch under chin...
cant be a hognose...its nose is so rounded....ahhh...
some sort of melanistic racer?
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anymore guess's???? i will let you guys know tomorrow!
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I will go with a blue racer in a dark phase.
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Old 10-24-03, 03:59 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I think it's much too thick to be a ribbon. The face is way different than a garter's, too. I'm gonna say Black eastern hognose, just because it's so similar to the pic by mk-ultra. -TR
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Well if it's not a melanistic garter or a hoggie, then a black pine. They've got white chins.
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Old 10-24-03, 04:38 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Odd,
I hesitate on 2,
northern water snake
and a racer.
but the northerns, have some patterns on them and this one doesn't or it doesn't show in the pics.
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