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Old 10-16-03, 11:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Stop "Guardianship" or Lose your pets!

Now that I have your attention. There is a movement across the United States to eliminate the term pet "Owner" in legislation and replace it with pet "Guardian". This basically means that a pet would no longer become property and become a part of the family. Sounds good right? More rights for the animals? Let's look at it deeper.

Now this does not just apply to herps, but dogs, cats, exotics, birds, and rodents and every animal you would keep in your home. Now we all want better care for animals, but what does this really mean? The IDA (In Defense of Animals) has proposed this change in terminology. It has already been adopted in Rhode Island and by the FAA and is sweeping the nation unopposed. This will END the pet industry and eliminate pet owners if it reaches the rest of the country!

But won't this make life better for pets? NO, because noone will be allowed to own pets! Guardian. A pet's guardian. Let's look a that. That basically means that it is treated the same as a child, right? Now we are talking about the law here, so if you are a child's guardian and a lizard's guardian, they both are treated the same under law. It is all about terminology. If you are a guardian of anything, the same rules apply if the same terminology is used. Again it sounds nice, pets would have rights against neglect, mistreatment, and abuse.

But what does it really mean?
1. You could no longer BUY PETS.
2. You could no longer SELL PETS.
3. You could not breed them for profit.
4. You could not intentionally breed them.
5. No inbreeding (sorry Clark and Ronne)
6. You could not trade them
7. You could not spay or neuter dogs and cats.
8. They could not be on display (sorry zoos)
9. Someone could petition for custody of your pet.
10. You could go to JAIL for not keeping them up to Govt. standards (whoever would decide that)
11. What happens if a pet dies? Is it neglect, Involuntary Manslaughter? What if it has to be put down? Murder one?
12. Vets would be out of business. Same liability as a doctor. No more humane euthinization. Insurance rates would go through the roof (how about $150 for just a checkup?).

These are just examples that I have off the top of my head. Replace "pet" with "child" and I am sure you can find more, perhaps scarier.

Changing one word in the law may not seem like a big deal. But the law is all about terminology. And this is the first step toward destroying the pet industry as a whole.

Who are our allies?
Pet Owners (But our voices must be heard!)
AMVA (American Veterinary Medical Association)
PIJAC (Pet Advisory Joint Advisory Council)

Who are the Enemies?
1. IDA (In Defense of Animals) Sounds noble right? NOPE! They have listed as one of their goals to get a "reduction in the number of animals bred and sold for profit".
2. API (Animal Protection Institute) as always
3. HSUS (Humane Society of the United States) not affiliated with Humane Society shelters. They chose the name Humane Society so that people would THINK they were affiliated.
4. PETA (people for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) again, as always.

I love the quotes form their site.
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Purchasing an animal not only contributes to animal overpopulation by taking a potential home from a homeless animal and encouraging breeding, it contributes to the problem of treating and viewing animals as commodities. By saying we own animals, we encourage others to view them monetarily, while calling ourselves guardians communicates the emotional value of animals.
OK, no more buying pets. Bye pet shops, shows, breeders and hobbyists!

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using the guardian language in their adoption contracts and literature, they are reinforcing the concept that people are adopting a new member into their families,
Sounds like the same legal responsibilities as a child to me. Which is of course regulated by the govt.

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though updated legal language does not affect one’s legal rights, responsibilities and liabilities, the psychological and sociological impact of this change in language is advancing positive attitudes about animal care.
That is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is like saying that the right to bear arms only includes owning parts of a large mammal! The law is based on terminology. If you change the word, the connotations change with it. They are trying to pull blinders over the US by making it sound like they are just doing it make pets safer and happier, when in fact, it would destroy the joy of owning pets. How about if your goldfish getting sick required $10,000 worth of medical care (can't use the word Vet anymore, because they are now doctors with the same obligation as MDs)

From the HSUS:
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"If you compare 'owner' to 'guardian' and examine the context of each term, then what are you saying? Why are you considering that shift? The dialogue gets people thinking."
Yeah, it gets us thinking that our rights are being stripped. Thanks for the support you have always given us ........... NOT!!!!!!!

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Michael Shrewsbury, Director, Sherwood Animal Services:
"Why did we change our ordinance? Because it is important to us that people understand the depth of the bond occurs between their animals and themselves. To us - it is also imperative that people understand the responsibility of being guardians.
Yeah. It means we could go to JAIL for not giving the care the GOVERNMENT decides is standard. Do we have to send them to school now too?

On the HSUS site, you could not find a better quote about the implications of changing a single word:
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Consider a hammer: Without a hand to swing it, it is both useless and neutral. It has no intent. Put it into the hand of a carpenter, and she might build you a house. Put it into the hand of a psychopath, and the results could be horrifying.
I think that speaks for itself. Let's hope that the IDA, HSUS, API, and PETA don't get the hammer.

Here, again form IDA's site, they foretell the future of the term;
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It is not so long in human history that women, children and others were seen, in legal terms, as merely property. It appears that society is ready to acknowledge that animals, too, are worth something more than their price tag.
Starting to understand the ramifications?

Again form IDA:
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There will be those who oppose the term animal guardian due to economic interests or fear of losing past ways of thinking. However, it is the majority who decides where the world is going.
It is time for pet owners to be the majority. Or at least be heard. We have to let them know that we will not be fooled by their false pretenses and half-truths. We will now allow our rights to be mandated and tripped from us. We need to say in one voice "Our animals are our family, we care for them, but we will not be dictated or repressed by those wishing to steal our rights!"

We have few allies. PIJAC is the primary. If you care about your rights. Join!!!!!!!!! It is a small price to pay and well worth every penny.


For Details go to http://www.idausa.org/campaigns.html and click "Gueardian Campaign.

For the HSUS Article clisck here http://www.hsus2.org/sheltering/maga..._article1.html

To JOIN PIJAC go to www.pijac.org If i had known the information and services they provide, I would have paid 5 times the membership price!

It is up to us to preserve our rights. Be active.
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Old 10-17-03, 06:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow thats a great post. Glad I live in Canada.
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Wow thats a great post. Glad I live in Canada.
What a STUPID thing to say! How long do you think it would be before Canada did the same thing! Not too long, I don't think.

Great post BW. People need to realize what this means. You have a voice in me bro.

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Well I live in red neck Alberta and there is no chance in hell it would happen here cause you know what would be next the farm industry and we love our Beef. So Sorry maybe i should have said Im glad i live in Alberta. Cause we're not stupid enought to buy into crap like that here!
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Well the last time I checked, Alberta was part of Canada. Also, Alberta isn't the only province with livestock.
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Old 10-17-03, 07:34 AM   #6 (permalink)
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hmmmm. Livestock. Now there is an idea. Start changing the word "Pet" to "Livestock". Livestock is bred for profit But that would also mean alot paperwork and/or permits for any animal. Shame to pay a $200 permit for a $5 Cornsnake.
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Ive stuck this thread up for all to see as i find it a very interesting read...and a very serious threat to the pet trade. I think all should read it, thanks for sharing this brian.
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Old 10-17-03, 09:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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For Canada

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definately an interesting read. I certainly hope this is not what the pet hobby gets reduced to.
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This is absolutely horrifying. I'm going to contact PIJAC and see what I can do to prevent this from happening ANYWHERE, not just Canada. I wish there were a way to silence fascist jacka$$es like those morons at PETA forever, but that would go completely against my moral fiber in a sense that I may not agree with what they say, but I do believe they should have the right to say it.
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I wouldn't get too excited about this myself. Practically speaking it will probably do nothing. I'd be interested to see what has happened in jurisdictions, like Rhode Island, that have this type of legislation. I seriously doubt anyone's been charged with manslaughter after their goldfish died and they neglected to pay the $10,000 for gill transplant surgery. Just because the term "guardian" is being used does not necessarily mean that animals, from goldfish to cattle, will instantly go from being the property of their keepers to gaining equal status with human children. If that were the truth of it I cannot see it being passed into legislation unopposed. There is way too much money at steak for it to sneak in the back door. Not just the pet industry but the farming and meat production industries generate so much money that they have significant political pull, much more than PETA or any of those other packs of morons. If that weren't so we'd all be eating tofu instead of steaks. Some of the panic in a couple of the posts here makes it sound as though cats, dogs, whales and cattle will all be voting in the next election. That whole elephant/donkey thing in American politics will take on new meaning when the parties actually run a donkey and an elephant in the next presidential election (might as well I figure, the guy there now is a real jackass!lol!). Relax folks, don't let Alec Baldwin and Charlize Theron scare you, they just don't have anything better to do with their time than whine about animals in a country that, even though it's the richest in the world, cannot even provide health care to all of it's human citizens, let alone it's animals. Which reminds me that I'm happy to live in Canada too, where things are just slightly less silly.
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MouseKilla,
I think that you have blinders on.
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Just because the term "guardian" is being used does not necessarily mean that animals, from goldfish to cattle, will instantly go from being the property of their keepers to gaining equal status with human children.
That is EXACTLY what the IDA states as their goal! To make pets no longer legal property, but a member of the family. I will promise that none of the terrrible outcomes and lawsuits will come into effect in areas such as Rhode Island until the "Gaudian Movement" has a strong foothold in most states. They do not want to tip thier hand too soon. And it IS going in undetected under the illusion of "We just want to stop animal abuse".

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Relax folks, don't let Alec Baldwin and Charlize Theron scare you,
If pet owners are not afraid, then they are not paying attention. This is no joke. This is the first REAL threat to the community I have seen. There have been propsed and so forth, but most were so far out of left field that did not survive. This movement has proven that it has a grassroots movement and backing to push it through in a variety of jurisdictions. This one is real people.

If you think living in Canada will save you from this movement, so be it. Believe what you wish.

Without involvement by keepers, this will spread and we will be left vunerable to new laws stripping our rights.
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I agree, but how to we prevent this from happening? Write letters? That doesn't seem like it would do anything. I will write letters, though, if you think they would be effective. What other options do we have?
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one thing my degrees in sociology, psychology, and soon education have taught me is that most legistlation in all governments is about what the populations are NOT allowed, the rest are about what capitalist enterprise is allowed to do to oppress and exploit the laborers. The main difference between my religion and christianity is wording; where christianity, judaism, islam give negative commandments mostly of the "you will not do this" mine says do what you wish as long as no one is hurt. Most of these groups have a belief that we mostly support, the best benifit for the animals, we disagree on how these goals may best be accomplished and the area of responsible ownership by the public. Responsible logging/ no logging, responsible hunting/ no hunting, pro-choice/pro-life, every group has its beliefs, mine are the least restriction upon the responsible person the better.
 
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When you join PIJAC, you get acccess to the Members Area. In there is a wealth of information. You can track all local, state and Federal legislation, run searches on active legislation and regulations. You can even contact local, state and federal officials directly through the site. To a representative, each letter or email represents a certain percentage of the population. So each letter or email, carries more than one voice.
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