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Old 10-05-03, 11:27 PM   #16 (permalink)
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You need a licence I belive I know a Guy near me owns a tiger as well as other "exotic" animals. he used to let it lay in the sun in the field on a chain but the city put a stop to that
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Old 10-06-03, 03:45 AM   #17 (permalink)
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He may have a chance to get the tiger back, but its doubtful. Even if he tried, Im sure what he has already done will hold highly against him. Stately, Zoning may require you to be licensed, with one or more permits.. In New York, I hear it's easier to get off with a murder charge than getting permits for most exotics. USDA/I is required if you plan on showing, breeding or selling large cats, I believe. I don't own the cats, so I dont have the permits, I can check with my mother next time I talk to her though.. Xain
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That story is crazy!!! I would have loved to see more pics though!!!

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My personal opinion is just trying to keep a tiger as a pet is abusing the tiger (let alone in an apartment). Do u really think tigers would choose to be our pets? I think it is horrible, and what will happen to the tiger now? Unfortunately, he can never live in the wild, which is where he would be happiest. That is the sad part.
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Another article on it

Its a 5 foot caiman, not a 3 foot alligator.

New York -- His obsession began innocently enough, with the puppies and broken- winged birds every little boy begs to bring home. Over the years, Antoine Yates' taste in animals grew ever more exotic, neighbors said, and his collection came to include reptiles, a monkey or two, and according to one neighbor, even a hyena.

He might have picked up his boundless affection for living creatures from his mother, Martha Yates. Over the years, she raised dozens of foster children in her five-bedroom apartment in a public housing high-rise in Harlem, according to one of her foster sons.

But when Yates' most exotic pet -- a tiger that he named Ming -- grew to more than 400 pounds and let loose a fearsome roar, that happy home disintegrated. Terrified by the beast, Martha Yates packed up the last two of her foster children and moved to a suburb of Philadelphia earlier this year, neighbors said.

Yates, increasingly hard-pressed to control the tiger, apparently decamped, too, to a nearby apartment. He continued to feed the beast by throwing raw chickens through a door opened just enough to keep a paw the size of a lunch plate from swiping through, neighbors said.

On Saturday, the police moved in, alerted by Yates' curious call, in which he claimed to have been bitten by a pit bull. They found Ming and removed the tiger from Apartment 5E after it was shot with tranquilizer darts by a sharpshooter who rappelled down the side of the apartment house. The mission created a swirl of excitement in the neighborhood and left a series of questions for an assortment of officials.

The police are trying to determine where Yates got a tiger cub and how he managed to raise it from cuddly kitten to nearly quarter-ton menace in a public housing project for several years.

Officials at the city's Administration for Children's Services said they were trying to determine whether foster children had lived in the apartment while the tiger and other dangerous animals were there. And officials of the New York City Housing Authority were trying to determine how the tiger escaped the notice of workers at the complex.

People who live in the building on Adam Clayton Powell Blvd. said that the tiger had lived among them for at least three years. His presence, while strange, was widely known, and it did not really alarm anyone, they said.

Jerome Applewhite, 43, who lives on the 18th floor, first encountered Ming about three years ago, when he stopped into the apartment for a visit and saw Yates sitting with the tiger cub cradled in his arms.

"It was a house pet," Applewhite said. "To me that is cool."

City officials did not share this view.

"Tigers are dangerous animals," Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters on Sunday at a news conference. "Clearly this tiger should not have been in anyplace in New York City outside of a zoo."

Investigators from the New York City Police Department on Sunday were questioning Yates, who was placed under guard after he turned up at a Philadelphia hospital. On Wednesday, he had gone to the Harlem Hospital Center,

where he told skeptical doctors the bites on an arm and a leg were from a pit bull. He checked out early Saturday, prompting an inquiry into his whereabouts.

He has not been charged, the police said, but he may face reckless endangerment and other charges.

The tiger, along with a 5-foot-long alligator-like reptile called a caiman that was also found in the apartment, were taken to a New York animal shelter and have been sent to live in a wildlife preserve in Ohio, city officials said.

No one at the Drew-Hamilton Houses who knew Yates was sure on Sunday exactly how Yates came to have a tiger cub. But he was well known there as an outsized character who, above all else, loved animals.

"Every time I have ever seen him, he was talking about his exotic animals," said Wanda Tompkins, 26, whose family has lived in the apartment directly below Yates' for the past five years

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Old 10-06-03, 08:29 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yet another article - trying to recreate Eden

Man bitten after housing tiger

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NEW YORK -- A tiger and an alligator found in a Manhattan apartment were sent to wildlife sanctuaries in Ohio and Indiana yesterday while their owner recovered from bite wounds inflicted by the more than 400-pound cat.

Police said Antoine Yates, 31, would face reckless endangerment charges after he gets out of a hospital in Philadelphia, where he fled. He was listed in good condition.

Yates said the tiger grabbed him and "tore open my whole leg down to the bone." Yates told Philadelphia TV station KYW that he was "trying to create a Garden of Eden, something that this world lacks."

A team of animal control officers, police and Bronx Zoo workers removed the animals from Yates' fifth-floor apartment in a Harlem housing project Saturday.

Wes Artope, director of the city's animal shelters, said the tiger had been kept in the apartment since he was a 6-week-old cub. The 20-month-old tiger weighs at least 425 pounds, Artope said.

The tiger went to Noah's Lost Ark in Berlin Center, Ohio, a licensed preserve for exotic animals. The facility isn't equipped for reptiles, director Ellen Whitehouse said yesterday, so the 5-foot-long alligator went on to an Indiana sanctuary.

It will take the cat some time to adjust to seeing trees and birds, Whitehouse said, adding, "I'd love to see what the inside of the house looked like."

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I'm still baffled at how a 5-foot caiman could be 280 lbs!!
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You know the media, they like to blow everything out of proportion. probably take 100 pounds off both animals and be closer to the truth.
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Xain, is that your tiger in that picture with the dog?
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My personal opinion is just trying to keep a tiger as a pet is abusing the tiger (let alone in an apartment). Do u really think tigers would choose to be our pets? I think it is horrible, and what will happen to the tiger now? Unfortunately, he can never live in the wild, which is where he would be happiest. That is the sad part.
Do you think herps would choose to be our captives/pets/collections? Its no more horrible on this particular sense.. Besides according to the last few post, the animals will be just fine. Why would an animal who has never been in the wild be the most happiest when he has no idea what it's about? How do we know they enjoy, diease, parasites, unrandom feedings and so forth? The cats we have seem pretty happy to me...

Even if the caiman was only 5' 280lbs or 180lbs alike is a rather fat animal.. It'd be a bit for me to even believe it was 100 lbs at 5'

It's my mother's cat.. But yea..
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No more city living for this cat.

A 325-pound tiger that grew up in Harlem arrived at his new home in a pastoral part of northeast Ohio last night, about 24 hours after police carefully removed him from a fifth-floor Manhatten apartment.

An informal network of animal rescuers found him a home in Ohio.

Lorain County animal trainer and rescuer Sam Mazzola yesterday hauled the caged tiger from New York to Berlin Center, in Mahoning County.

Mazzola said the cat will stay at Noah's Lost Ark, a sanctuary for abused or unwanted exotic animals, at least during a 30-day quarantine in which handlers will try to get him acquainted with the outdoors and with other tigers.

"We need to let it get accustomed to grass instead of four walls and glass," Mazzola said. "It's going to be quite an adjustment."

The events that eventually landed the tiger in Ohio began Friday when police in New York received a report that the tiger's owner, Antoine Yates, 31, had been bitten by a dog. Anonymous callers later said Yates had been attacked by a large wild animal.

Police rappelled down the outside of the apartment building, broke a window and shot the tiger with two darts that knocked him out. They cut a hole in the apartment's door and inserted a camera that tracked the tiger's movements until he passed out, Mazzola said.

Once inside, police also discovered a 5-foot long alligator. The alligator also came to Ohio with Mazzola and will temporarily stay at Mazzola's World Animal Studios in Columbia Township.

Both gator and tiger appeared to be in good health, said Larry Wallach of New York, an officer of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Wallach called Mazzola for help in finding homes for the animals.

Wallach and Mazzola praised police for taking the time to capture the animals rather than killing them.

Wallach estimated that the tiger - apparently a Siberian-Bengal mix - weighs 325 pounds. He said the tiger was de-clawed but dangerous.

"When the tiger growls and slams its head and paws against the cage, that's a bad thing," Wallach said.

Mazzola said the alligator will eventually go to a friend in Indiana who already takes care of several alligators.

People might get a chance to see the famous city-raised tiger when World Animal Studios sets up a mini-zoo in the Midway Mall in Elyria this winter, Mazzola said. That will depend on how quickly the tiger adjusts to his new life.

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Do you think herps would choose to be our captives/pets/collections? Its no more horrible on this particular sense.. Besides according to the last few post, the animals will be just fine. Why would an animal who has never been in the wild be the most happiest when he has no idea what it's about? How do we know they enjoy, diease, parasites, unrandom feedings and so forth? The cats we have seem pretty happy to me...

Even if the caiman was only 5' 280lbs or 180lbs alike is a rather fat animal.. It'd be a bit for me to even believe it was 100 lbs at 5'

It's my mother's cat.. But yea..
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There's a big difference between keeping a tiger as a pet, and keeping a leopard gecko, ball python, or corn snake for a pet. Enough said.
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I don't see the difference, other then space requirements.
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I agree with Lisa, please elaborate the big difference, other than space requirements..
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