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Old 09-26-03, 06:33 PM   #61 (permalink)
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have respect for any that puts in the thousands of hours of work it takes to build a body like that not to mention the strenous diets they go through.
I have even more respect for the people who are actually making a difference in the world and trying to make things easier for the less fortunate, rather than worrying about how cut-up they are that week.

But just my opinion. And the inherant beauty of my opinion is that it predetermines me not to care about any reply.
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Old 09-26-03, 06:37 PM   #62 (permalink)
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damn, I missed this whole conversation. anyway, 216 lbs, 18 inch arms (flexed)

And to the person who said 28....BS.
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Of course Jeff a person should have respect for people who do good works for others as a christian I am a firm believer but that isn't a reason not to have respect for the accomplishments and work of other pursuits. I believe your taking the topic totally out of context now, it never ceases to amaze me how things can so far off topic on this sight. If a severly overwieght person lost alot of extra pounds and got to a healthy wieght that is a thing to be respected, if an athlete trains his heart and soul out and wins an olympic gold that to is to be respected, if a man builds a business from sctratch through years of hard labour to a point where he is happy with it and successful that deserves respect to. You see respect can be earned through many avenues, unfortunately I think you have stereotyped bodybuilders in the cliche of vain naccisstic ego maniacs, which some are but so are many non-bodybuilders. As a snake owner and thus someone who has to deal with the prejudices associated to reptiles and the stereotypes such animals must suffer I would think you to be above that. Just my opinion. Now just to set matters in perspective for you current Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman and Seven time Mr.Olympia Arnold Schwarznegger both men who were "concerned with how cut up they were" are both outstanding humanitarians who give in abudance both time and money to people that need it. I'm sure you are worried about the quality of your breeding projects just as a body builder is concerned with the quality of their body, there is nothing vain or wrong about that. I have respect for you, you have obviously gone through alot of work to build your business and produce outstanding animals, there no reason why you shouldn't respect someone who has put as much dedication and effort into their body, now is there. I can't change yours or any other person opinion about the body building lifestyle but hopefully by opening you up to what lies beyond the stereotypes you'll change your opinion on your own, if not, no loss to any of us. By the way Stkkts at 216 with 18" pipes, how tall r you? And i think the guy who quated 28"s was a typo.
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i agree with mykee...that's too short a time. you on anything? mine are now 16", but that took a while for that to happen.
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PiebaldGuy, whether or not you conveniently left this out, I'll make a point to throw it in. When your body receives elevated levels of testosterone, it shuts down, for the most part, it's own 'testosterone factory'. Long story short; when I was 'riding the intermuscular pony' my testicles shrunk down to the size of two black olives that you would find in your greek salad. No joke. What a wonderful side effect. Great converstaion starter. "Hey, if anyone's interested, I can bench 335, but my shnutz are the size of Raisinettes".
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Old 09-26-03, 10:37 PM   #66 (permalink)
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And as you convientley left out when you go off the gear (at most 16 weeks) they go back to normal.
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Old 09-26-03, 10:41 PM   #67 (permalink)
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WOW its only been like a day n ive missed out the whole convo! Anyways, if anyone wanted to know, im 5'8" maybe 5'9" and 140lbs and 11" of pure muscle arms NO FAT and another thing is im almost 15 . Oh and Mykee, i thought it was only roids that shrunk your meatballs?




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Old 09-26-03, 10:48 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Sunrunner, maybe you should re-read my post again s...l...o...w...l...y...
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Old 09-26-03, 10:57 PM   #69 (permalink)
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sunrunner, Im 5'10. Like it says 216, 18 inch arms. Curl 70 lb dumbells.

And Im a nationally certified personal trainer. Not trying to brag, just letting you know, I actually know what "good form" is. I dont swing the weight, I dont use my back. I actually isolate the muscle. And I dont take any illegal, or legal supplements. All natural.
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What is that supposed to mean? Or you just looking to start crap too. You made no mention of the testies returning to normal any where in your post, in fact by the sounds of your post your nuts still are the size of black olives. This is getting ridiculous, you guys wanna talk juice and throw body building facts around like your a bunch of IFBB pros with degrees in biochemistry then bring it to a B.B board...ssnakess is for reptiles wanna talk juice meet me over on getbig.com. Drop this crap, the man did good building up his pipes leave it at that. Go home and insult yourselves in the mirror for awhile. But do it s...l...o...w...l...y so it sinks in. Nuff said. By the way I have four kids so the testies are working fine and I could bench 335 without juice.
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Nasty nasty nasty. 'Roid rage?.......Nuff said.
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Stkkts,

I am also a nationaly certified trainer (NFSS and CPTN) who did you get your cert from? Also protien, glutamine and creatine are natural substances and thus wouldn't affect your status as a natural body builder.

P.S: I wasn't dissing you or nothing I was just curious how tall you were. If you don't mind me asking what is you B.F %? Right now totally clean for over a year I am 6' 225 lbs at 10 % B.F. My pipes are 19". I use natural legal supplements but not any juice or prohormones. Do you work as a trainer presently?
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Sorry Mykee but I haven't used juice in a long while...and I don't need false bravado to stand up for what I think. I don't know how much formal study or experience you have had with gear but your making gear users look bad and it seemed to me like you were making Dave out to seem like he was telling half truths. I could be wrong and if I am I'm sorry but you talk to me like a child, I am far from. Give respect/get respect. It is possible to have a good debate with out getting personal.
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Old 09-26-03, 11:24 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Sunrunner, well, lets settle this because this is getting boring. Firstly, the post that you so childishly attacked me for, (the 'black olive' post) was from personal experience. I was not attacking you, but if you feel that I was talking about your small testicles, I was not. Thanks for sharing though. Secondly, my B.F. % come on. No offense (?) but if you have the time to measure your body fat, you need a life. I'm not 16 years old anymore. I'm not even going to justify that ridiculous question with a response. But I'm sure it's higher than yours, just like my maturity level.
Also, do ADULTS really call their arms 'pipes"?

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Listen Mykee I was asking Stkkts what his body fat % was as we were talking about stats, sorry if that confused you. Also I have a very full life it takes about 30 seconds to measure B.F. And I never attacked you about anything in fact I have been very mature and reasonable in all my posts. I won't get into a personal debate with you, the things you write give a good reflection on how mature you really are. I came on hear defending Body building but for some reason insist on being haters and prejudice. As a former lifter yourself Mykee I didn't expect it from you. It is quite apparent to anyone reading this thread that you started with me. So don't act like I am immature.
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