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Old 07-30-02, 12:18 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Heheh, I don't think any government would bother wasting time and money genetically engineering a huge venemous snake...they'd be more likely to make super soldiers (they'd be a bit more obedient, methinks)
P.S. cloning and genetic engineering are two completely different things
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Old 07-30-02, 02:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Hey SilverTongue .. of course your opinion counts .. and it brings up a good point. We are all hybrids .. but then, look how screwed up we are. Well, some of us anyway.

And even though hybrids are one of natures ways of diversification, nature has a few billion years of experience ahead of us. We're still making WAY too many mistakes.

Aztek .. I agree with your post totally. I really enjoy discussions like this.
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Old 07-30-02, 10:42 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Really bad B flick movie? its WORSE than that and REAL!!

People arent hybrids,Lisa. They are ALL from the same species, homo sapiensDomestic cats and dogs arent hybrids either, they are all emanateing from a single species. An example of a true hybrid is a domestic cat crossed with an ocelot. Or perhaps a domestic dog crossed with a coyote or fox. Or a person crossed with a gorilla. THAT is hybridization.

Often people cross animals that are the same type and species, but the wrong locality, i.e. a boa constrictor from Argentina with a bioa constrictor from Suriname. NOW..both these snakes are both boas, but they are from two separate localities that would NEVER, ever come in contact with each other.
So waht do we do?
WE MAKE them come in contact with each other and give them no other choice of boas to mate with.

We force them to have no choices but the ones we select.

So they breed
And they produiced hybrids.

YES, they are both boas
No, they are diffrent in terms of heat and requirements and enviornmen

That sums it up

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Old 07-31-02, 04:32 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Actually...

People may very well be hybrids...about 100 000 years ago there was at least 1 other species of human (neanderthals; not sure of their scientific classification) on the planet in addition to our own species (us= homo sapiens sapiens) and there is a distinct probability that there was interbreeding between our own and this SEPARATE species of human...we're not talking locality difference with these 2...
But locality hybridization was also mentioned as a form of hybridization in the original post, was it not? (correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't check it) So, if this is the case, then most, if not all, humans are locality hybrids as well...
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Mankind came from 2 people,not 4 diffrent ones

All men eminated from one man and one woman. This very Judeo-Christian Society that you live in is founded on those prinicples and faith. Not to bash anyone elses belief system,but all mankind emanated from 1 pair of people.The Bible tells us this. So do many other books of other religions that ARENT Christian.

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Well fred as per the making 2 things breed that would never meet in nature, without our modern technology a native indian and a white man would never have met either.... or a etheopian, nigerian etc... so technically it does apply to humans in that respect IMHO
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hehe i love this debate...........ok if we all came fro adam and eve....there for we all came from cain and able....hmmm 2 men....one killled the other leaving one men. Cain goes to the land of nod i think to find his wife. hmmmm hmmmmm where did the ol wifey come from?? See when i was 10 i asked that to my preacher after he stammered and mumbled a few things he walked away.

Two things we did not desend from the same pair. It is immpossible.

second the bible is so incompleate that it can actually be more fictional than fact. But honestly how do we know. Considering it was put together by a group of monks.

first if you are going to follow something blindly please dont use it in an argument with people who may have actually researched different religions and origins...no i dont know all i have just done a lil research.

second dont follow blindly try asking a few questions perhaps you might actually learn something.

third. This is a Herp forum. There is really no reason to bring up religion.

Sorry for my rant, but sheesh it had to be said.
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Religion as an argument??

And there goes the discussion! Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Oh yeah, on the phylogeny of man, we lived at the same time as neaderthals and cro-mags. I think they were violent or something and killed each other to extinction and we survived. I studied this, but it was ages ago. I'll look up my notes.

Just keep in mind that the very keeping of snakes in captivity is unnatural, so what's the difference with hybrids? Nothing. Just don't release them into the wild. But if you're releasing snakes from captivity into the wild, you got problems in the head anyways.

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It's all a conspiracy none of this ever happened, man didn't land on the moon!!!! Mommy im scared!!
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Old 08-01-02, 12:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Dear Jeff,

Native Americans(Indians) and White Men(European-Caucasians) are all the exact same species.



Anacondas and Argnetine Boas are not.

One is ahybrid. the other simply two strains of the SAME species interbreeding.

On and on the eggman went.................

I feel a little Biblical fear going on, so lets switch the conversation to................Why are psorts stars that are paid sooo much money such mrons in their personal lives?

Ok...dig in boys,


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LOL!! Fred i agree with you there!! complete idiots!
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This is just too entertaining ..

As for the humna Hybridyzation.. THere was two DIFERENT species of humans living at once and IT was Possible .. this is not proven, that there could of even been up to 5!!! Different species of human living all at one time... Again not for a long time It can't be proven but one things for sure, We are the only specie of humans living right now but it has not alwasy been that way. Thereforethe possibility of a hybrid human is great.

As for religion .. we all come from 2 ppl .. Sorry to say, I have no religion and every single thing i have ever leaned, I haved debated and research to prove validaty .. We could possibly come from two ppl but, they diud not just appear.

The most likely situation is that they were hybrid(s) made from two diferent species creating a FERTILE infant wich eventually started up our own race. So in my oppinion, we all all hybrids and so is every single other animal.


I personally choose not to support hybridization in captivity but if ppl want them, they will be created. I perefer pure animals.. (even though there is no such thing..


And also I had a carpet python that was a cross from an Irian Java and a Coastal that i had rescue from a previous ower .. He was my favorite of favorite snke .. and also my only one tht was crossed within localities..

Just my thoughts..

Again sorry to go against some ppl's belief but it is a discussion and we have a right to our say.

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Or even better Fred!!

Why aren't WE the overpaid sports stars!! Ha ha...

The onlt thing I hve a problem with is that the whole species model is made-up (BY US!!). And our definition of a species is "like animals that produce fertile offspring". So if the offspring are fertile, then why are they different species? And if they are different species, then why can't we breed them? Hmmm....
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Why aren't WE the overpaid sports stars!! Ha ha...
I'll go you one better Jeff .. why aren't we paid for the TONS of research we are doing on herps .. such as our ongoing research into hybridization. lol
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Zombies.....Cro-magnum man......Fossils

Wow, look at this outpouring of debate.
Who KNEW it would cause all this.

Good!

We have so many anthroplogists and paleontologists here, it makes me wonder if im in the wrong forum. Is this the "I know everything about pre-mezozic man forum?" Laughing out loud!!


For those of you that believe in the Bible and in Jesus, well..all I can say is I tried. I feel like the guy on the movie "The Night of the living dead" who is trying to fend off the horde of DEAd zombies that want his brains. he shoots them in the body with a shotgun, but they keep on comeing, and comeiong and comeing..LOL

Time to climb up a tree(Zombies cant climb trees)

*If I have offended anyone here I apologize, but i am one opinionated s.o.b. and usually speak my mind,i expect you to speak yours, and you have!! congrats all, canadians rock!

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