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Old 09-11-03, 02:56 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Same with my dad. He plays the shakuhachi, a little known Japanese instrument constructed from bamboo. He's spent the better part of life dedicated to this ancient tradition. Every gig he's played he's given all the earnings to a charitable organization he ran in the east side of downtown (which by the way was his regular job). We gew up broke as hell, but alwas surrounded by like-minded musicians and respect. He never once promoted himself. It was all about the joy of interacting with his instrument and his audience.
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Here in canada we pay a royalty tax on blank CDs regardless of what their intended use is. I mainly use CD's to back up MY data such as pictures I've taken or to burn free software I've downloaded from the internet (ie redhat, freebsd). The way I see it, we've already paid for the music with that royalty tax.

Then there's the whole issue of CD's being more expensive then cassettes! WHY? CD's cost way less to press then cassettes do to make, sell in greater numbers so that subtracts from the manufacturing costs even more. I remember when CD's first came out they were more expensive cause they were "new technologhy" and artists got less of a cut because money had to go into "paying for the technology". I don't know if the percentage has been raised for artists but i can't see why they cost so much compared to cassettes.
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Well, we all have valid and interesting points here. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all works itself out. I can see the side of the "Downloaders" for sure and I can relate to their actions and feelings. But as an aspiring artist, it kind of worries me that this career I've worked at building for the past 13 years looks like it might be in jeopardy. Business sucks sometimes...

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I can’t believe this. People care because it is their livelihood. It’s how they earn a living. Sure the artiest will be well taken care of, but what about the blue color people who work in that industry? How about the guy who works in the factory making those CD’s? If people create something, they should be paid for it. But, I do understand that the technology is not going to go away. The record companies are making an error in how they are handling this. They must understand that while they hate this technology, they have to embrace it and use it to further their case. This same issue was debated many many years ago when the radio began playing music. The record companies of the day hated the idea because it cut into their sells. In time they understood that you can not take away teck once it has been introduced, so they worked with it. The record companies of today will have to learn to do the same thing.
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One of the many thing that can be thrown in here are 1. sony makes the Ripping software and a Crap load of hardware one would use to "Steal" Music They profit from Filesharing maybe Thety should Put some of that money into the artists pockets.

Cd's Are outdated (Yep Already) Why would you want a Cd when you can have a hardrive that is Smaller and Holds more and you can erase it when ever you want

If the music Bussiness Collapses It Will have learned a lesson That people dont want this Commercial Crap anymore And they will Re-build With what we want But I doubt it will go to that.

Sueing 12 year old Girls is sad and only reasures The Hate I have for the riaa hopefully the music industry will Become Musician Controled A huge Co-op is The Best option Imo
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Old 09-11-03, 06:22 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I would have to agree with Tim on this one. I just sucks to see so much time and effort gone for not. It takes time to learn anything (playing for 24 years and still learning) And in all honesty most musicans never do "make it" and are resigned to playing in cover bands. Just think there are a lot of folks trying to get a break and this will cut down on thier chances of siging a deal. Playing in a cover band is like being poor(there are a select few that do well but not very many) Just think that playing 3 nights at a drinking place once all the union fees are paid and extras for rentals and or union sound guy and or other incendentals are taken care of you are lucky to pocket 150 bucks( you might be lucky to get a few promo beers) Just gearing up now days is huge bucks. Hell I have a small set up just for doing home recording and I am in for about 12 grand and do not have enough gear anymore to play someone's bath room. I do see both sides of the story but the real thing is this is going to end badly for oneside or the other there will be no middle ground on this one. I would hope that this will work out for all of us in the end but it does not seeem like it will sad days for all ahead. Tim if you have any of those demo's left e mail or pm me so I can buy one from you I am interested to hear what's up with your stuff.




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I remember as a kid I had hundreds of tapes. About ninty percent of them were dubbed from someone else's tape so I laughed when the whole Napster thing happened. People talk as if music theft hasn't been rampant since the cassette format became common about 25 years ago. If it's caused anything it hasn't been the empoverishment of musicians. Musicians are making more money now than they ever have so Metallica can cry me a friggin river. As for the musicians that don't make it in the mainstream it isn't because the 5 global media empires that own basically all the record lables can't afford to pay them. The fact is that there is only so big a market for any given kind of music which is why being good doesn't necessarily get you anywhere. You need more than skill. Bribery or an uncle in the biz, that sort of thing.
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Hey Hip, nice to hear from you!

I was supposed to go down and record a few months ago but it was pushed back for various reasons. I "should" be going in October or November. I'll send a couple copies to you when I'm all done.
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Well aparently you and I Mousekilla are the only ones to remember way back before CDs.

Im with you on the Metalica thang too, they are nuthin but a bunch of sell out whiners as far as Im concerned. Heck maybe if they came out with a CD that didnt sound exactly like the last 5 or so theyve made they could quit pointing thier fingers at everyone else for thier loss in sales.

Anyways, (back to the subject) for me if there werent any file sharing sites I wouldnt have have heard of alot of music that is out there. I have a younger friend that I IM quite alot that lives on the other side of the continent and another in Peurto Rico and when they hear songs they like they usually suggest that I download it to see what I think. Usually I think they are crap but thats not the point. Also I doubt I could run to Wallmart or where ever and pick up some of the stuff my friend in Puerto Rico listens to. But in all honesty I cant see file sharing as an all together "bad thing". Also what about the old school type music that no longer gets stocked in stores? My Ex husband was here last night and downloaded," Gods Of Wrath" an old Metal Church song. Now if we couldnt have gotten that off the internet where in the heck could we have gone?

Oh and speaking of old school music I better go download a few more before they get lost forever in this BS Hm... Pantera's Cemetary Gates is a must Havent heard that one in years. If file sharing sites are gonna be a thing of the past I better stock up for the future
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I gave up on Metallica when their self titled album came out (damn you Bob Rock). When they freaked out about napster I was surprised but it kinda makes sense with their switch to pop.

There's other avenues of generating funds, artists such as Moby have shown us that by making huge sums from advertising. I know, not everyone can do this, but hey, not everyone can be a movie star, exotic animal breeder or a rock star.

I've seen figures saying that since file sharing sales are up for music sales, and I'm sure there's figures out there that state the opposite. I do know I downloaded music via Napster I wouldn't have bought and other music that I never would have been exposed to as it just isn't played on the radio. Also there's the live performances, the odd cover song and stuff that just isn't being produced anymore.

Some how I can't see file sharing going away, I can see it going underground or servers being moved to countries where there are lax or no copyright laws where the RIAA holds no ground.
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Old 09-14-03, 10:27 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Hey Tim I have been working on this thing in B minor and I have come up with a couple of leads to start with (just like a couple of bars) I would like to send them to you and have a bit of input. I will start it off and then you add something send it back and I will add to what you added. If you do not have the time I fully understand plus I could learn a thing or two from someone of your caliber. I would hope it would broaden both of our horizons and help us both in our "holy cause" If this is a go tell me what format you would prefer.



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That sounds great Hip! As far as recording software, I have Cubase and Cakewalk. But just a wave file would be fine... but then we could only add to the track and couldn't modify it. Either way though....

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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't artists such as anyone from Ozzy to Britney to U2 get millions and millions before these albums even come out, they sign contracts with record companies do they not...they are getting the money upfront, they make the record and the record company gets the money based on the sales...I don't know much about the business but that's how I figure it would work, places like walmart, best buy, hmv whomever buy a certain amount of each album, isn't that how sales are kept track of not by every joe blow who bought the new eminem cd, sales are based on the distribution of the cd's to the stores is it not? So once the stores buy them up off the record company, the record company could care less of who buys what, they sold their product already. Just guessing don't know for sure, I'm just saying by artists signing contracts for millions and millions of dollars they are getting paid regardless of what they spit out...they may have a certain amount of albums to make or it may be an album by album deal but the artists aren't "starving" by any means...are most big name artists so greedy that they are bitching about getting paid 20 million to make an album then because they don't get as big of a cut on a percentage of the albums sold? Boo hoo. Cry me a river. Yes for the up and comers that don't have a major name behind them it is alot harsher, but millionaire cry babies like Metallica make me sick! Yes I download music, but for only songs from a album that I know I won't like or would never buy, only downloading it because I only like the one or two songs from the cd. I fully support my favorite artists by buying every cd/album they come out with, if I truly like them I'll buy their stuff...maybe if some of these artists wouldn't come out with these "hot new" singles then to make a quick buck come out with a piece of crap album to make some more money, maybe make a descent album, then more people will buy them. Well I've ranted enough.....lol.

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Sorry Chris, that's NOT how the biz works. Artists get what's called an "Advance" which may be $20'000 or $2'000'000 depending on how established they are. That advance would be like your employer paying you for December, January and February right now. It's an advance, not a hand out. They don't earn royalties until that advance is paid off. It's more of a loan than anything.

Plus, the millionaire crybabies make up about 0.005% of the business. A lot of people are affected by the success or lack of success of an album, from the top execs to the janitor at the studio. If the company is doing badly... sh*t flows downhill...
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So let me get this straight. There are people that actually pay for music???????
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