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Old 09-18-03, 10:07 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Personally I can't decide what side I am on. I am not sure if I am against it, or if not being against it will be part of a huge mistake people might be making in the hobby by making hybrids. Not sure.

I think personally for me I will continue reading all these great debates, and then one day maybe I will just feel the way I feel is right.

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Old 09-18-03, 10:15 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Ok, I just reread everything and it's turned out that the stuff I said was pretty much covered already by the guy who gave the cat analogy, so can someone delete my posts?
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MouseKilla, Balls and Bloods have been produced but I dont think any are of age to reproduce.
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Old 09-19-03, 12:08 AM   #48 (permalink)
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I don't mind hybrids. In fact, some of the most beautiful snakes are hybrids. For example: a cross between Crotalus molossus and Crotalus atrox. A cross between a snake and a goat is one thing, but as long as the animals involved are related, there shouldn't be any problems. I wouldn't mind trying to cross a ball python with a blood python myself. I love the colors of a blood python but they get too big. If I could have the colors of a blood python on a pattern of a ball python, with the docile attitude and short length of a ball python, damn, that would be one hell of a snake!
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how would you feel if you paid big bucks for a Dimond python only to find out down the road that it was a mutt?
The problem with hybrids people get sloppy, or the people they sell to don't understand what you've sold them and then breed them to normals or sell them as normals
just look to the Indian python for your lession
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Old 09-19-03, 12:26 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Hybrids: A *Quick* personal opinion

Hi Guus,

I havent posted here in so long I cant remeber when.

Heres how I feel about hybrids.


Hybrids are popular.....Brittany Spears is popular.......
George W. Bush is popular.......Bell bottem pants are popular..


Proof that popular things arent ALWAYS good things.

Bottem line, people tend to follow *trends* , certainly I have been suspect of this, whatever *NEW* snake morph is out there, or whatever snake is popular AT THE MOMENT, people tend to jump on the bandwagon. I have done so and regretted it. Not to say that people cant keep something they like, even if it is popular, but when your whoel collection is focused on whats hot NOW...your either a breeder trying to capitilize on the market, or a person that wants to keep up with the Joneses. I understand the first one, but dont understand the second.

Hybrids are popular...therefore, I tend to avoid them like the plaque. I disdain things that are overly popular, mainstream music, clothes and especially politically. so, I CHOOSE, for the most part, not to keep anything in my collection that is a hybrid. I DO LIKE some of the morhs that are produced(Color) but dont necessarily keep them if they are indeed crosses.


There are plenty of people out there breeding and selling hybrids, they dont need me todo it to, so I dont, I am not a purist in the sense, but things that are overly popular give me a headache.

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Old 09-19-03, 12:29 PM   #51 (permalink)
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i am ok with it as long as the snakes are found in the same habitat but if you take one snake from the south and one from way up north im a gainst that
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not a fan of hybreds but a anaconda that looked like a brb would be cool to see
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Well I don't think bush being popular is a good thing :-p

I am against hybrids. Why try to breed different localities if you know chances are slight to none they would actually do it in the wild.

A cross betwen a jungle and a diamond is beautiful but am still against it. Once you start playing with the genes, it can never be undone.
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And it can NEVER be verified

Another thing that disturbs me is that when people actually DO sell hybrids, they do so saying that they HONESTLY represented them. Which may well be true, but DOES NOT insure that future breeders that buy them will CONTINUE to HONESTLY represent them. I find that people will represent them as whatever is most MARKETABLE at that moment, i.e. if they look more like diamonds, they will sell them as diamonds, if they look bizarre and pretty, they may represent them as crosses, because crosses are selling well at that time,. In short, once the initial pair leaves the breeders hands.....all bets are off.

Which is why you see so many diamonds that are really crosses nowadays, why you see so many Colombian boas that have argentine or hogg island boa(Isla de los cochinos) bloods in them. ONCE they leave the original breeder, theres no telling what those snakes will be bred with, or if they will be represented honestly, or even KNOWINGLY


Its kind of like buying hets, unless you KNOW the seller personally, or their reputation WITH THAT PARTICULAR SNAKE preceeds them, then you are gambling, with odds against you


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Hybrids just don't have a right to exist.

Nature didn't created them, there is a reason, they aren't needed so let's not play GOD.

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Hybrids just don't have a right to exist.

Nature didn't created them, there is a reason, they aren't needed so let's not play GOD.

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Actually there is a hybrid Iguana on the Golapagos islands. The fist hybrid reptile from our time. Part marin and part terrestrial.

But am still against hybrids taht we purpously do.
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CornxCal Kings and JCPxDiamonds are found in the wild once in a while wyz, so wouldn't that be saying that they are a part of nature because they sometimes do naturally occur? I also believe that every hybrid does have a right to live.

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Very True statement,

But as time goes on, less and less Diamonds and JCP's will be found in the wild, with the only potentially remaining populations being captive ones. If the captive ones are hopelessly crossed and hybridized, then what you have is an extinction of a particluar type of snake. So, hybridization in the wild doesnrt support doing it in captivity, esp with the encroachent of mankind ino their habitats

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Andy.. let's not make this a case by case thread...

Sure odd things can be found in nature, doesn't mean it's natural..

These crosses are accident, they aren't there for a purpose.

BUT ! If they are, to serve a purpose (i.e. hybrid iguana) what so ever well that's another story. Maybe she crossed so that a specie can survive on this island because of some disturbance in their habitat.
But we can't really speculate nor discuss about this at this time.. maybe in a couple of million years.
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