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Old 08-26-03, 07:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Disgusted

What else can I say... 82.9 is the sign at all the gas stations this morning.

Why the f**k do we even have a government anyway? Oh wait... yah I forgot... same sex marriages and potheads are more important than eveyone that operates a vehicle to get to work.
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Old 08-26-03, 07:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I hear ya Chris...But you see the thin is Potheads and homosexuals don't pay the government to look the other way!

Well I gotta go syphon some gas outta my neighbours cars
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It's called supply and demand. Demand went up after the black out so they're charging what the market will bear. Don't like the price? Use an alternative such as biking, walking, car pooling, bus (I happen to know Ottawa has an excelent bus system) or buy an electric car. If the government had stepped in and said what you could charge for your herps when you were in business what do you think your reaction would have been? My guess is that you would have been up in arms. It would also be like the government saying your job should only be worth $10/hour and the employer shouldn't have to pay you a dime extra. As much as I hate the price of gas and feel like I am getting raped at the pump, no one is forcing me to drive, and could be taking an alternate method to get around. Lets hear it for less government interferance in our lives (and that's what same sex marriage and legalizing pot is, the government interfering less in our private lives).

Cars are NOT a nessessity, I got along fine with out owning one for 24 years and know many people that get along with out one currently.

Want to show your displeasure with the pumps? don't buy anything from gas stations where you don't like the prices. No chocolate bars, no magazines, drinks and definetly NO GASOLINE!

I remember a few years back, people were trying to band together to not buy gas on a certain day. Their results were in effectual. You know why? because everyone bought gas the day before or the day after. The gas companies weren't affected by a single day. If you want to make something like that work, then don't use your car for a whole week. I don't mean buy gas the week before and stock pile it for the week when you aren't buying gas, I mean don't use your car which will mean you won't need the gas. If everyone did this think of the effect on the oil companies. They would notice a whole week where people used alternative transportation and didn't need to buy gas.
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Old 08-26-03, 08:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You really don't believe that do you? Thought you were smarter than that!!!

Not sure if our neighbors to the north Get Labor Day, But we do here and it is considered the last trip of the summer for pretty much everyone. It is a huge travel day and the gas companies know it. The gas companies greed will ruin the rest of the vacation markets economy. Will people stop going on vacations? Hell No!!! So the gas company will always win!

Course you could do what I do. I bought a diesel car. While gas prices here are up to $2.00 a gallon ( I know thats cheap to you guys) But diesel stays at $1.50 a Gallon. They will not raise diesel fuel like they do Gas, because all the truckdrivers would pretty much strike and shut down the entire country. Gas companies won't mess with the truckers. So I reap the bennefits of diesel. Plus I get 50 MPG, so my money goes a very long way.

You watch after labor day the gas prices will all of a sudden start tricling down to normal again.
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Old 08-26-03, 08:37 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Actually, with the line ups after the black out demand did go up. also there were shortages with some gas stations running out of gas. Prices have been up since the day after the black out and continuing to rise. And demand does go up labourday weekend with everyone traveling and such. The demand is there and always will be there with people too lazy to use alternatives. You said it your self, people will guy the gas regardless of the price.
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Old 08-26-03, 08:57 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Suuply and demand is right... they reduce the supply when the demand is the same so that the prices can jack up (we can thank our "friends" at OPEC for that... maybe Georgie boy dropped bombs on the wrong countries eh?)

In many cases a car IS a necessity... I work about 30km west of Ottawa... there is no bus service and carpooling is not an option either. I have no problems with the government capping or regulating the prices on necessities (you didnt like paying a fortune for Hydro did you?) And if you read the stickers... the majority of the price of gas is DIRECTLY affected by the government because its tax.

I always find it humourous (a joke that is losing its appeal) that suddenly every gas station in the city jumps their prices to the exact same amount but there is no price fixing according to the government. Isnt it also hilarious that the gas always seems to jack in price right before a long weekend?

Within the city your ideas are great, but the unfortunate part is that you forget about rural areas (which make up about half of Canada's population) Also, Ottawa's bus service leaves a lot to be desired... OC transpo (our bus service) is affectionately known as No-see transpo.

The only action plan I ever saw that makes any sense to me is the one where they say to boycott one specific company (Ie. Esso , Petro Can or Shell) When one company is starving they drop the prices therefore forcing the others to do the same... basic economics there.

As for regulating the prices on herps... maybe they should LOL some people seem to think they are selling gold instead of reptiles!
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[quote]They will not raise diesel fuel like they do Gas, because all the truckdrivers would pretty much strike and shut down the entire country. Gas companies won't mess with the truckers.[quote]

You got that right! When I drove long haul we used to joke that if we stayed home for 2 weeks because we were fed up with the price of fuel, and low wages, the country would grind to a halt, and there would be mayhem.

Can you imagine them being out of fuel at the pumps, and coffee, cigarrettes, beer, diapers milk and bread at the store? I know a few people who are out of sorts if they miss their morning coffee, and others who would die without their tobacco, not to mention the trouble being without diapers, milk and bread, not to mention meat and fruit and veggies.

Maybe it is not such a bad idea to deliberately go without these things from time to time so we appreciate them more. I used to spend 3 months in the mountains each summer, with no electricity, phone, TV, computer and only the company of a few saddle horses. I ate what we packed in, and hunted or fished for extras. Funny how the phone was downright aggravating upon my return to civilization!

We have become a society of convenience and is really apparent when we have visitors to our small town Saskatchewan where there is no 24 hour convenience store, no late-night pizza delivery, stores close Sundays. Lifestyle chages are in order when city people move out here, but it is reversed when the kids from here move to the city, they think its great

The price of fuel is still rediculous, since most of it is refined in Alberta and shipped to the states, and sold for cheaper across the border.

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Something to consider about Government regulations. The problem is, the government's responsibility has to stop at the natural resource - that being crude oil. Once crude is turned into gasoline, it is no longer a natural resource - it's a manuafactured product. I sure wouldn't like it if the government told me that they were going to regulate the price of the terrariums that I build because the oak trees that went into the plywood are a natural resource, would you? It's regulated at the level of the resource itself. The government DOES say how much the loggers are allowed to charge to sell raw trees to the pulp mill. After that, it's business and economy.
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Did you mean 89 cents? I paid $2.03 on the gallon yesterday, it was the cheapest price I could find.

Thank god for my honda. Those 5 gallons are going to last me at least a week.
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Did you mean 89 cents? I paid $2.03 on the gallon yesterday, it was the cheapest price I could find
Damm $2.03 a gallon. I thought I had it bad paying $1.61 a gallon. The prices are starting to get insane. I get pissed every time the tank gets empty at the thought of filling it up again.
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Some people should find better excuse then the black out for the price of the fuel here around Montreal the fuel was 89.9 a liter for most of the week and we where not touch by the black out. Nobody should forget that a few years ago the government pass a law to protect the independent stations Ďcause the big companies where selling the fuel about the same price to us then the independents stations. Itís true that the price of a barrel of oil is on the rise but there is a limit. If there is nothing wrong with what the fuel industries are doing, why we donít pay the same price throughout the country and United States. In the U.S. a gallon of gas is about what, 1.25 a gallon here is more then 4$ for a gallon Also here in Quebec half the price of a liter of fuel is taxes. And an other problem is we. Do you see manifestation, boycotts or anything to see the prices drop, no we always talk about doing something but we never do? And donít think that by using less your car using less gasoline is going to drop the prices, Its in industry in a down fall soon or later we wont need them anymore and they know it so they are going to suck every penny they can out of our pockets.

Somebody talk about the truckers, well I work as a fleet manager for a trucking company, a couple of years ago we try and make a strike but our dear Quebec government pass a law that we could not do manifestations. They did the same thing with the nurses. That is the new thing here, raise you voice and we going to shout you up no matter what.
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44% of the cost is TAX Dont like it too bad
Either force the government to better fund companys like ballard so they can get some car's running on hydrogen on the damn road or suck it up
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Cars are NEEDED by us! My boyfriend simply cannot get back home during the afternoon shift from Toronto. The bus doesn't run to our hick farm town after 10 sometimes. Maybe its midnight now though...but definitly not at 3 am.

The other thing that upsets me is not the current up in prices but the raise in prices you see on Fridays because of the weekend coming and on long weekends. It's B and S IMHO. Happens every single time around here. Like clockwork.

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You are right Marisa. There is not enough bus. I live near Montreal Qc and If you live on the island of Montreal you are fine there is enough bus but if you live outside the island you are ##%%^ . And we pay a tax on our licenses plates for the public transport the closer to a big city the higher the tax so it cost me 80$ a year no matter if I take the bus or not. Somebody said we should suck it up. Well we Canadians that's what we do best. 44% tax on fuel in BC 50% in Quebec and our health care system is going down, we have a prim minister who cannot speak either French or English, Our immigration system is the worst in the world and we pay that much taxes just to finance the friend of the friend of somebody in the government. And we should suck it up. Itís because people say, ďwe should suck it upĒ that we have so many problems in this wonderful country. Canada used to be one of the top countries for the quality of live and in the last pole that came out a few months ago we drop to the 10th position. Well letís be Canadian about it and say people suck it upÖ
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Gauts What i was Saying is DO something about it Or suck it up Because if you arent Part of the solution you are part of the problem. If you think canada is going to hell take a look at the states they are already below where we are headed

B.C. is going to hell Cambell wants to sell all we have in order to balance the budget his agenda benifits him and his rich buddys while the common man suffers
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