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Old 08-07-03, 03:33 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I'm Swiss on this one. On the one hand, I love cats. I'm violently allergic to them, but nonetheless, I LOVE the little critters. I would NEVER, in a million years, feed a cat to a snake.

On the other hand, I know people who would cry hysterically if they saw me feed a rabbit to my BCI. I know people who would do the same over a rat. So on the other hand, the bottom line is, what us a pet to one is snake food to another.

And another point (I only have two hands, so now I have to just make other points) is the fact that we euthanize litterally millions of animals every year. Doesn't that seem like a waste?

So if it's simply a moral question as to whether or not to feed a cat to a snake, we're being hypocrites here - why a rabbit, not a cat? Rabbits are beautiful pets too!

As for the moral question about whether to feed animals being sold/given as pets, well.. I think that is dishonorable and mean. But then again, if you are selling/giving someone an animal, that becomes their animal, and you have no say.

The moral is, as Bob Barker says, "HAVE YOUR PET SPAYED OR NEUTERED"
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Old 08-07-03, 03:37 PM   #32 (permalink)
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dogs deserve more respect than that. You will never find a more loyal, honest, and unconditionally loving creature (and that includes humans) than a dog. We owe them more than that kind of attitude.
society's words coming through your mouth. If you were born and rasied in china you would have a completely different out look. who is to say any one creature on this planet deserves special treatment over another animal? The only argument you can logically make is "no animal should be fed to a snake. No animal should be kept as pets. All feeding should be left up to mother nature" You cant defend a dog or cat and not a mouse or rat. Its hypocritical. Dont let society tell you what to think.
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Old 08-07-03, 04:08 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Well well well ... feeeding a cat to my burmese . I actually thought of that once . Dont think I would do it but hey see it from the eyes of the snake here . He doesnt give a sh.. what food he eats ( sometimes yes but thats another story ) . So much cats are kill every years because we cant find a home for them but still a lot of people breeding them so they can have little kittens at home but once they grow they try to give them away they cant find anyone , they donate it to pet stores who cant sell them in a lot of case before they start to cost them too much so they send them to S.P.C.A . And under less than a week they are down by the thousand . Makes me sad that all these lill kitten didnt had a chance to have a good life . I love cats I really do love them and this makes me sad . But if they are to be killed than please give them a reason to die . Feeding a snake with a cat that would die anyway ... . As for taking pet cats from someone else without telling them its for a snake it is kinda sad . I would be so pissed to know that , maybe I could have found a very good home for him . So one solution ... S.P.C.A. should give away cats that are to be killed , they are gonna die anyway at least if its for feeding another life that someone love i agree and i would probably do it my self ( not live cat but if the cat were put down and gaved away after ) . I know a lots of those cats goes to vet school and at least serv a purpose in their deaths but as for the rest ....

i dont have time to review my post but thats how i feel
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Old 08-07-03, 04:09 PM   #35 (permalink)
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wow i cant belive this thread. LOL cats are by far my most fav. animal (even though i don't have any). But if i had to i would feed a kitten to a snake f/t of course. My brother used to have 2 albino rats for pets and i love them. But yet i feed mice and if need be i would feed rats to my snakes. i look at it as food. Just like is it bad because i keep reptiles and if i had a snake that only ate other snakes or lizards??? No because some people see it as food for the other animal to survive. Now we don't have to feed kittens to snakes, but if it came down to yes i would. I think it's just a big moral issue for most people, cause most people grew up with cats as pets. again remember this is coming from a cat lover!!!
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society's words coming through your mouth. If you were born and rasied in china you would have a completely different out look. who is to say any one creature on this planet deserves special treatment over another animal? The only argument you can logically make is "no animal should be fed to a snake. No animal should be kept as pets. All feeding should be left up to mother nature" You cant defend a dog or cat and not a mouse or rat. Its hypocritical. Dont let society tell you what to think.
Society does NOT tell me what to think. Obviously, you've never had a special relationship with a dog. Otherwise, you would know the depth of their emotions.
This is not society talking. This is through my own personal experiences.
As far as who is to say any one creature deserves special treatment - exactly, who is to say humans are worth more respect than dogs? In my opinion, dogs have earned my respect. Humans, a lot of them anyway, have not.

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Old 08-07-03, 04:22 PM   #37 (permalink)
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but it is society talking. If society said the dogs and cats were only good for dinner (like some society) but rats were the best pets ever, you would think completely different.

Here is a more realistic analogy. Society teaches Hindu's that the most sacred animal in the world is the cow, yet north america slaughters them by the thousands. Its all on how you were raised, and the beliefs you were taught, and the things you saw on a daily basis. You may not want to think it, but who you are, and what you think, and the things you justify, have been almost completely influenced by the society you grew up in.

And yes, I have a dog, and I love her very much. But thats because I didnt grow up in china where they eat them for dinner.
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my landlord, his kid, and wife raise dogs, chickens, and turkeys and bring all the still borns over. Might as well recycle, the dogs eat any cats that come around so none ever have made it to my snakes.
 
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so are u honestly trying to tell me u don't see or feel any difference in the relationship u have w/your dog compared to anything or anyone else?
does anyone else love u that much? is anyone else that loyal? a dog would never abandon a human, no matter what that human does. u can't say the same for the human. dogs do deserve more respect than we are giving them.
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Personal feelings aside, there's another issue here that puts herpers in a bad light. There are laws protecting cats and dogs from abuse in most of the western hemisphere. Herpers are breaking these laws when they feed protected animals to their animals, and thus herpers continue to get bad press, prejudice and a reputation that is mostly undeserved.

If we want equal protection under the law for the herps we love, we are shooting ourselves in the feet by breaking the animal protection laws currently in existence.
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This isn't about DOGS!

We all love dogs. Yes all dogs are wonderful. No one is saying dogs aren't worth as much as cats, snakes or vice versa. Cripes it gets to be a broken record in here.

The bottom line I believe is yes cats and dogs are protected from cruelty BUT if feeding a live kitten to snake is cruel, then feeding live mice and rats should also be illegal and should also be viewed as just as cruel.

Yes I love my cat and I have a special relationship with my dog. But the same can be said for almost ANY cat and dog owner. And guess what the pound is full of? I think my personal point here is just because people think their dog and cat are ever so special, doesn't mean its wrong that another culture sees them as dinner.

And if we view killing a cat for snake food as cruel then we should make feeding live rats and mice illegal as well.

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so are u honestly trying to tell me u don't see or feel any difference in the relationship u have w/your dog compared to anything or anyone else?
does anyone else love u that much? is anyone else that loyal? a dog would never abandon a human, no matter what that human does. u can't say the same for the human. dogs do deserve more respect than we are giving them.
Im not saying that at all. I love my dog. she is so cute. But I can honestly say, the only reason I feel this way, is because I was brought up in a culture that has taught me this is acceptable, and approved of, but feeding a kitten to a snake is unnacceptable and frowned upon.

ALL ANIMALS deserve respect. I am not going to discriminate. I am also not going to tell mother nature she is wrong. Snakes eat mammals, meaning they eat mice, rats, gerbils, rabbits, cats, dogs, monkeys, pigs, and humans. I personally wouldnt feed anything other than a live mouse, or F/T rat to my snake, but I am not going to tell someone else they are wrong for doing it.
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P.S. If you eat meat, you really have no right to say that it is cruel to feed a kitten (or any other animal for that matter) to a snake. Yes, the snake could eat a rat, but you could eat vegetables. With the snake, its a given that one animal is going to have to die so another can live. But with humans, we make the choice to slaughter a living animal to feed ourselves.
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why do we owe people more than we owe the rat or rabbit? or the dog?

btw, i don't eat meat
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Thats a whole different topic!

OMG this is about live kittens being fed to a snake. Not about owing people anything or DOGS! Its about a story of a kitten being fed live, and if you think its right or wrong and why.

I have no clue how dogs or "what we owe people" has ANYTHING to do with it and frnakly, I am confused by over half of these postings.

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