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Old 07-03-03, 04:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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REPTIBID, FORUM Etc???

I was reading on the Fauna classifieds a tpoic about Reptibid etc, and someone was suggesting that these sites are owned by fluker Farms? Is this true? Does www.sssnakess.com really want to be associated to a company that knowingly exports disease ridden animals to the unassuming public? Just wondering....


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Old 07-03-03, 06:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah the repti systems thing was a trial but has been down from ssnakess for a few weeks. It wasnt working out, and isnt going back online.
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Old 07-03-03, 06:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jeff, i can tell you had a hard time answering that. Its really no ones business who you assosicate your business with, but its prolly for the better, what with the way the java was getting all screwey on you, its better you just stay on your own!!!.
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Yeah, the java was a huge problem for alot of the members, as for the association thing... I dont mind telling people whats going on really.... The repti system thing was newish but well advertised so i decided to just link the 2 sites within each other to bring in a wider audience and member base to the site and see how it worked, but the java was a huge pain. There is nothing more to it then that really, it was all layed out in a email by Shane when we first implemented it. If people want more info on the ownership of the repti systems, then email the people who run it at webmaster@reptibid.com
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I wan't meaning to intrude. I was just wondering as it still showed up on the banner, but now I see its gone. I think this site was great on its own. Wish I could make it out to your show this weekend.

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Just to clarify, the repti systems wasnt removed on account of any of the owners, it was removed on account of the Java being a issue with members.
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and dont worry about missing the show Greg, we will get out to TARAS as soon as my bank account lets me! :<
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First off, Greg, if you had wanted to know...why not ask? Your statement about disease ridden animals is extremely bold. Not only is it uncalled for, but you just put yourself, and this site at risk of lawsuit. Over the past couple of months i have gotten to know the owner of Repti Systems, and i assure you, as for who they are associated with is only speculation and rumour. I will not state his name as i dont see its importance here. But i will say without a doubt, he is a great person who really loves the hobby and the animals. He has been wonderful to deal with, he has some terrific ideas about web business and he saw ssnakess as an avenue into understanding what herpers want.

In all my years of dealing with various types of animals, i have never seen a hobby so close to beat up on a breeder, a supplier, or an enthusiest when something goes wrong!I think we all need to keep in mind that in the world of animals, yes some will arrive sick. Some will die, and some will be deformed. I thought this was a community!!! Why can't we all get away from rumours and stick to the matters at hand...the animals! Lets not bash, lets work towards a better goal of cleaning up this hobby!!! I realize im getting off topic...but it just ills me to see statements about things people have heard, people assume, or what they think they know! Lets face it. That is dangerous. Its no wonder there is so many lawsuits against websites these days. It blows my mind how many times people have tried to sue us. And ill tell you matter of factly that it has never been anything that Jeff has said, its always a member. So before you fly off the handle and say so and so is the owner, and so and so sells diseased ridden animals, give your head a shake! You think we will take the blame for your statements when the lawyers come calling. No thanks. But you wont have to worry about disease ridden animals after a major corporation is done taking you to court and your forced to sell yours, not to mention everything else you own!!! Think before you make statements people. Im here to tell you, websites and members being sued are a very real reality, look it up on the web!

As far as this association to the site, or any associations at all i really think its up to Jeff and his decisions. I keep frustrated by the comments people make everytime there is an improvement! Whether its a graphical change, or a sponsor change, nothing can ever seem to be implimented without recourse. Ive stated the big picture several times, but still i dont think anyone is listening. Its what goes on behind the scenes that keeps this site running. We are close to a mile marker of 3000 members! With this brings on additional costs!!! I need to hammer this home, and im at the point where i dont care if people take me the wrong way, cause for me, ive seen Jeff go through enough, so ill take the bad guy stance here. We are free! Banner ads are extremely cheap (we do this to help the little guy) Who else runs free want ads? Who else gives this much space in a photogallery? Who else will host a website for $20 cdn a month? NO ONE ELSE. This is done because our webmaster truley loves this site, its members and this hobby.

What you don't see is the server costs, the law costs, the costs of going to shows, the costs of software, the man hours, the costs of advertising. Yes there is money from hosting, and banners, yes there is donations. But lets all be truthful. This site still costs out of pocket more often than not!!!! So the next time you wonder why something has changed, why a sponsor, why a different logo....try and look at the big picture. You cannot survive with such a big community without being forced to have to deal with the business side of things and all that it brings. This is home to many people. I know cause i talk to them nightly. We are a family, a family that is trying to change the herper community, and the way it is viewed. It is everyones community, everyone here is a part of this family. And i dont know about all of you...but this is one family i dont want to say good bye to!

So i will put my neck out on the line once again and say Jeff, i am with you for whatever decissions you make, or will make on this site. I appreciate what you have done for the herp web community. And i applaud you for doing it as long as you have, and having spent as much of your personal money as you have! No one has been able to create the sense of community on any other site as you have that i have ever seen. I have been here from day one, when sSnakeSs was just a dream. I thank you for letting me be a big part of it. And i dont want you to get frustrated. I think your an amazing person for always staying to course with the site and not trying to turn it into a corporate money making machine like some of the other sites out there. Keep up the good work, we all love you. Shane.
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All I have to say is keep up the great work Jeff!
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Hey, I was curious, what is it different between this site and fauna classifieds, where they cannot get sued for slander and the like?
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They can..infact they have been threatened several times. The truth is, law is funny. Even with a disclaimer you can still be sued. If not for slander, possibly for something else. There is a reason why some people are lawyers and some are not! Any big corporation who really wants to take you on for slander will. They have the financial backing and the power to do so. Dont kid yourself, Fauna classifieds can be sued. Whether or not the owner would be found responsible or not is another story. But the attempt can be made. As to, a member can be held responsible for insiting the slander in the first place. The site is only usually named in the suit as a means to bring the slander to a broader audience! Trust me, ive seen enough of them to know what can be named in one!
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I was not trying to start something with this thread, but I was just wondering if they were one in the same. They may me, they may not be. I wasn't sure. The thread on fauna never really said if it was or it wasn't with any information to back it up. As for getting sued, im not too worried. I for one have seen on so many forums the problems that were and are associated with the iguanas and bearded dragons that were exported from El Salvador into Miami, most given away to people who signed up to their forums, only to find out how much vet bills can really add up to.

Anyways, if these people are not one in the same, then I apologize.

As for the comment about the site taking the blame for my comments, that is not my intentions. I was asking a question. I also didn't like the tone of your comments. As for the site and change. I have no problem with that. I agree change will only make things better, but I had seen the thread, and decided to ask.

I guess in the future I will as in a private message rather than a topic post, but I didn't see any problem with the post when I had posted it.

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Well Gregg, I see what you mean yet I see where Shane is coming from too. Sometimes we don't realize what we say and what the things we say can get us into. I think Shane is just coming off hard because he needs to hit the nail on the head to at all costs avoid a law suit. Maybe he did come off a little harsh but hey, better now then when he has a lawsuit against him

Shane, the reason I was asking about fauna is because I always see them flaunting their power with statments like 'just try to sue me, good luck, etc. etc.' acting like they cannot be harmed. I thought this was true.
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Yeah i know what you mean...been on the site many times myself
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Regardless of who wins in court, if you have to go to court period, you are paying for lawyer / legal fees. But if wrongfully taken to court or being sued against something that is clearly stated in the terms of servce the party(s) who sued you can then be sued for all of the legal fees in which you had to pay for. Either way, regardless of money involved, its always best just to avoid the whole situation at all costs...
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