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Old 06-24-03, 08:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The article was poorly written with no basis or back up other than a someone's nieve opinion. Iguanalady's reply had more info in her response. Good job!
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Old 06-24-03, 08:11 AM   #17 (permalink)
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that law is such crap.

I live in a basement and raise my herps there. Ive only had 2 reptiles die in my care. And both were problems from other breeders. Both animals died within 2 weeks of me getting them. so that part to me is upseting. (just had to make that point.)

I voted and that law is so ridiculis.
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Old 06-24-03, 08:48 AM   #18 (permalink)
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This is unfortunately an all to familiar trend. Herps are being banned everywhere now. These laws are passed by politicians with no understanding or knowledge of the subject matter. When laws are passed regarding the economy, and economist is brought in. When Foreign Policy is concerned, diplomats are consulted. The CDC, API, PETA, and HSUS are not experts. I say the CDC because of the ludicrous statistics they release and agendas they don't care to share. After all, what happens when they release unrealistic statistics about diseases? "The problem is larger than we anticipated, we need more funding". But I digress. Herpetiles are by far the most persecuted animals on the planet. Surveys show that most of the time, Snakes are feared more than DEATH! These are unreasonable fears that quietly whisper in the ears of politicians. These fears, not logic, are the invisible forces guiding the pens of lawmakers. Do more than vote on the site. Become part of the solution. Become active. Don't pout on the sidelines and then cry when your herps carry with them a fine. If you do nothing, then you have earned nothing, and you have no right to complain. I realize that many people on this site are not old enough to vote. So be it. You can still persuade parents, teachers, and other adults to simply go out to the public hearing against the ban. Get every herp society you can involved. Get people with letters after their names on your side (e.g. PHD). Build an ARMY of citizens who care for herps. Show them that these are not exotic animals secretly kept in the corner of a basement. But they are magnifiscant animals that brings us great pride and a greater understanding of the world around us. Show them that it is not just a few creepy people keeping these "creepy" pets. Show them that they are businessmen, educators, students, professors, lawyers, doctors and people from every walk of life, and we live in great numbers. We are all around them, we are the legs they stand on, we are the ones that vote, we are the ones that pay taxes, it is because of us that they have a job, and we do not like arbitrary restrictions created from flimsy evidence and personal biased from an unenlightened leader. If you are going to make a law, then know the subject matter. But I warn you of what would detrement your cause. Have "Herper Police" go to the meeting. Police your allies. If you see anyone with a snake or lizard, ask them to take the animal home because they are hurting your cause. NEVER bring a herp to an anti-herp group. They already want to ban them. What you have to do is present the facts, educate them, and above all DISTANCE them. If you have some idiot with a Burm around his neck go into town hall to protest the law, your cause is lost. You want to speak to them on a higher level, not shove that which they dispise in their face. So be careful of your allies. If you see some idiot bringing their snake to the meeting, tell them why they should not, persuade them. Above all, get involved. Voting on that site is a start, but there is more that can be done. Good luck.
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Old 06-24-03, 09:21 AM   #19 (permalink)
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The poll says exotics not reptiles. I don't think someone should be allowed to keep a tiger or all reptiles for that matter I voted no but I would have liked it if the poll was more specific.
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Old 06-24-03, 10:16 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I agree with trever, but unfortunatly these people don't seem to know HOW to be specific. In Oshawa its illegal to keep ferrets, and thats another ridiculous law...
The fact is some peopl just shouldn't own pets, ANY pets. Tougher animal cruilty laws and a more informed society is what is needed.

I voted no but its at 66% yes right now :S
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Have you all seen this and voted?
Just keeping it on the home page!
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Old 06-24-03, 01:15 PM   #22 (permalink)
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we are ahead!!!! I guess it was all those kingsnake forums I posted on this am. We are now at 52 % for NO!!
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Here is a job for everyone. Even if you live way up in Prince George or Vernon and even if you arent going. Phone up Surrey and ask them that you heard that there will be a public meeting on the issue of the exotics bylaw on July 21 and ask for confirmation and then the details like when and where. Then ask if this is where you can speak out against the bylaw and ask how you arrange to do that.

I want them to know a lot of people are ticked off about this. The cities general infor phone number is (604) 591-4011.

Other good numbers to call are
Mayor Doug McCallum 604.591.4126
Councillor Judith E. Higginbotham 604.591.4633
Councillor J. Marvin Hunt 604.591.4635
Councillor Barbara Steele 604.591.4623
Councillor Gary D. Tymoschuk 604.591.4626
Councillor Robert Bose 604.591.4624
Councillor Penny Priddy 604.591.4622
Councillor Judy A. Villeneuve 604.591.4625
Councillor Dianne L. Watts 604.591.4634
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Old 06-24-03, 01:59 PM   #24 (permalink)
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NO 51.1% vs YES 48.9%
I must say, this is probably the first time I think I have seen my one little vote count toward a worthy cause that didn't seem plausible. Ok, it's just one poorly written article on the web, but it is a start. Way to go everyone!
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i voted and i don't even live in Canada, but, the "no"'s are only at 50.6 percent :/
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Old 06-24-03, 02:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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same here diva i live in the states and i voted also. it may not effect us now but it may sometime in the future. the more we make a stand now the better it hopefully will become.
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The No's are 50.2 now... I'll vote again from home too.
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49.9% yes 50.1% no
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Old 06-24-03, 03:31 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Does anyone know some bird forums that we could post this too? We exotic keepers shoudl stick together. I know the rat keepers would probably not want to encourage snake keeping but the bird keepers might be on our side.
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Old 06-24-03, 03:51 PM   #30 (permalink)
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voted & the no's are 50.1%. do they know exotics even includes sweet little polly the parrot ? terrible naivete.
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