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Old 06-13-03, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Live Young?

Ok my ex and I are having a tiff about whether or not it's possible for some snakes to birth live young. It started because I was interested in breeding Rosy Boas to see the live young and such.

His argument: THEN WHAT MAKES US MAMMALS?

*rolls eyes* So I need some backup proof now. I have shown him pics, I have shown him caresheets that specifically say, "AS THEY BIRTH LIVE YOUNG"

Stupid men!

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Old 06-13-03, 04:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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yes boa's have live birth
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Boa's and even some pythons give live birth.

And what makes us mammals is the fact that we, like all other mammals (including dolphins) have MAMMARY GLANDS. In other words, mammals give milk. Snakes do not.

But boas DO give live birth. Tell your ex he is a complete dolt.
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Rattle snakes and Garter snakes also give live births
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So do Blue Tongued skinks...
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..... and many fish and insect too.
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All Vipers (except one) give live birth. Althought he term can be misleading. They are actually developed and born in eggs within the mother's body. The eggs simply do not form all the way and remain as embryonic sacs. Shortly after the sacs are "laid", the young break free. So they are actually eggs, but they are developed inside the mother and even at the point of being born inside the sac, they are wiggling. So it is still a live birth, even if it is not neccessarily a mammilian style birth.
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two words;
no placenta!
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BWSmith - that's what I thought. Because infertile boa eggs come out as eggs.

Why is it like that, though? Is it because boas (and whatever else gives live birth) come from a colder climate (or with a larger temperature variation)?

Also, which python has live birth?

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Oh, and so do some chameleons.
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I don't know of any pythons that give live birth. I do know that one ssp of sand boa lays eggs as well does as the Calabar boa (or python, depending on your own personal beliefs ).
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kenyan sand boas LdyDrgn?
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No, not the Kenyans. If I remember correctly it is the Saudi Sand boas (eryx jayakari).
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How about you really freak him out and mention the egg-laying mammals, the platypus and echidna!
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Anyhow, I should think most men's minds would immediately spring to the mammary glands for an example of what makes mammals different. Or is your ex a leg man?
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Hmm, what makes us mammals? Maybe we can produce our own, constant body heat? Many reptiles birth live young, and at least two, odd mammals I know lay eggs.
Jenn.. you've showed him all the proof he needs to believe you. Next thing you know he'll be telling you that Dinosaurs are make-believe!
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