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Old 06-11-03, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Taking Deposits on animals not yet produced

Whats everyones take on these breeders that take deposits on eggs still incubating, or worse yet take deposits on eggs they "expect to be laid". I personally won't. I don't think anyone else really should either. If you need the money that bad, sell something. Don't count your eggs before they hatch, let alone before they are even laid. What happens if all those "highend" animals don't produce viable eggs or the eggs never hatch. Do you think that those people that needed the money so bad they were taking it in advance will be able to pay back all their deposits they recv. if something goes wrong? Maybe they will, but it would probably take some time. What does everyone else think? Mark I.
P.S. I am basing my opinion on personal experience where a breeder took my $ up front & never produced & was not able to pay me back either. I had to take other highend animals in their place or I wouldn't have been paid at all. Oh & I had to wait an extra year to recv. them also. M.I.
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Old 06-11-03, 12:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A lot of this on the forum today! If they can not provide the product right there then they should not want money down. When the rep. is born then take the deposit. just make a waiting list. Besides how can you accuratlly predict if they will lay and how many. It's the oldest saying in the book that we learn right from kindergarden. Don't count your chickens before they hatch! Well the same applies to reptiles. I guess some people just took nap time early when they should have been paying attension.
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Old 06-11-03, 01:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Personally, I would not do that. I take deposits if someone wants me to hold something they want for a reasonable amount of time. But yea, I agree with you Mark. To much trouble if things go wrong. I'd rather give everyone an equal chance when I have stuff for sale. First come, first served.
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Old 06-11-03, 01:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I like the old "$ talks & BS walks" rule. This also applies to any & all animals that are being marketed. If you do not yet have the animal in hand, don't be trying to sell it. Advertising or taking names for potential offspring is one thing, but where do some of these people get off. I was considering buying an Albino BP from someone in these forums once & found out that they had not even purchased it from the US breeder yet, but they were more than willing to take my 5G in advance. Yeah right, do I appear to be that big of a sucker that I'm going to pay someone (months in advance) in Eastern Canada to buy me a snake from California so it can be shipped to me in AB via them so they can make a middleman profit without investing a red cent of their own $. Apparently because they seemed to think I shouldn't have a problem with this when it was dicussed with them as I tried to find out info. on an animal they knew nothing about because they hadn't even seen it. Needless to say any & all dealings with them past & future were dropped like a hot potato once I found out waht they were all about. Mark I.
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Old 06-11-03, 01:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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It would depend on who it was and for what , say if it was Bob Clark and I was putting a deposit on eggs already laid I'd sleep easy but some one I didn't know or a backyard breed deffinatly not. But then thats just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-11-03, 01:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd have to wholeheartedly agree with the Colonel on this one. The big breeders all take deposits on animals, which shows them that they have serious buyers. I have made deposits on animals that were not yet layed, let alone hatched. Mind you, again, a big breeder whom I have the utmost trust in, both personally and professionally. There are only, say 3 BP breeders that I would have the faith in to leave a deposit with for animals yet to hatch. Remember, know who you are dealing with, and you'll have more restful nights' sleep. Caveat Emptor.
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Yes Colonel SB there are exceptions to every rule LOL. I would not hesitate in certain cases such as the example above, but as a general rule of thumb, NO WAY! Call me hypocrit! In some situations deposits are required by a seller just so they know how serious the intentions of the potential buyer is. Its also nice to have money down in those first come, first served type scenes involving rare specimens to guarantee getting one also. I was refering more to the people "that need the $", but are counting on things to "happen" to "come clean" in the end. Putting themselves & investors both in a bad spot relying on things to happen in order to make good on deals. Mark I.
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I figure if I know them or they are well know like Clark, Zuchowski, Patterson, Sharp, Ihle and others I have no problem putting money up front on an animal that will sell out otherwise. But some small breeder with little or no reputation, no way.
 
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Deposits for animals not laid never mind hatched and may never be laid? Forget it. If they have the animal no problem I'll pay up front even.
Now a deposit on something like a cage or rack that will take a bit of time to build, that is a different story.
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For animals? Waiting lists. I would never except deposits for an animal that hasn't been produced - and I've been offered. I keep a waiting list on my computer and in paper form. I am honest with the list, the first people get the first animals.
But as far as I'm concerned, no animals, no money....
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Im planning on hatching out some flourescent pink green tree pythons sometime in the year 3000 if anyone would like to make a deposit of 500$ please send paypals to support@ssnakess.com
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Im planning on hatching out some flourescent pink green tree pythons sometime in the year 3000 if anyone would like to make a deposit of 500$ please send paypals to support@ssnakess.com
will they glow in the dark?
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lol deposits will be 750$ for those ones!
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How many are you expecting & will you take a post dated CHQ? Glad to see someone else shares the same views Jeff. Mark I.
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Every year I take deposits on eggs already in the incubator, however, I don't like taking deposits on eggs that haven't been laid yet or animals that I'm unsure on producing (for example an albino ball python male when I only have 6 eggs in the incubator from het x het breeding). I have lots of experience hatching eggs and if they are good I will hatch them. I've only had to refund 1 deposit over the years and I did produce the animal in question, however, the customer was just being difficult to deal with so it was better for my piece of mind to give him his money back and keep the animals here to sell to someone else. In the event that I do not produce the animal you want your money would be refunded in a timely manor.

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