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Old 06-06-03, 01:47 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I sorry but if the $20.00 in price is that big you can not afford to keep any reptiles. You seem to have money for finishing a shed,heater,a/c,ect.
I'm glad you have found reptiles and you like them, but you have not even read about them at all. In everybody's special way we are saying
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I've watched this thread progress all afternoon and first off I will offer my apologies to you BP13 if I've offended you in any way. My original post was to get you to think.

Click here for the best caresheet on Veiled Chameleons. It covers basic care, husbandry, caging breeding etc. It should answer all your questions. If you have further questions after you've read ALL these caresheets that people have provided, I will be more than happy to answer your questions with maturity and patience. I will also direct you to the chameleon forum on this site. Please read any past posts there, I, and as well as many other people, have answered a lot of the questions there. There is a wealth of good information in that forum on basic chameleon care.

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Old 06-06-03, 01:50 PM   #63 (permalink)
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okay...well...I don't know...but I'm getting the impression that there is NO way you've read any of these pages that have been suggested, if you're already on to the idea of breeding them.
It's time consuming and (can be) difficult to keep ONE cham...let alone 30 or so. It doesn't take long for them to NEED t be in thier own enclosure....they'll either kill each other, or die of stress if you don't separate them.
No one has mentioned that point yet either....Chameleons EASILY succumb to illness due to stress.
They become stressed out just seeing thier own reflection, or having other chams within sight...or even other SPECIES around. Or if there is too much foot traffic near there home....along with all of the general requirements that must be met.

Honestly....if you are looking for a relatively easy lizard to keep...go with a beardie...If I'm not mistaken someone has suggested that already.

I personally am not aware of any lizard that can live comfortably in a rubbermaid container.....if anyone knows otherwise....feel free to correct me.
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i never said 20.00 is alot of money......
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im reading them just give me time...
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Old 06-06-03, 01:58 PM   #66 (permalink)
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you can NOT keep a cham in a rubber maid container. Veiled Chams need height to climb...they need to have the impression they are above you, in order to feel secure.
My chams cage is 5 FEET high! filled with real plants so he can lurk around and "think" that no one can see him.
If you are having difficulty with the 20 dollar difference between a corn snake and a cham....I honestly dont' understand how you will deal with the initial cash out lay to set a cham up properly.
Cost of the animal should be the LAST thing that you base your decision on.
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i said that cash is not a problem.You say they cany be kept in rubber maids,but on one of the care sheets they say that they work well with them....
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Then that caresheet is wrong! Which one are you referring to.... I'd like to see it.

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Which care sheet? I'm frightened for every chameleon's life who's owner has read a care sheet saying rubbermaids work well ... Are you sure they didn't mean work well for something like... incubating eggs?

Otherwise, DON'T listen to that care sheet! Yikers!!

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Old 06-06-03, 02:07 PM   #70 (permalink)
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rubbermaid containers are used for INCUBATING eggs....big plastic garbage cans may be used as well....but NOT for HATCHED chams to LIVE in!

Crickets and roaches can live quite happily in rubbermaid containers though.
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Old 06-06-03, 02:07 PM   #71 (permalink)
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ok everyone!!!!Listen to this and please answer to this i like both of these reptiles but i want to choose only one to go with
ball pythons
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chameilions
which should i choose if i like something easy to care for easy to breed,and ccan be kept in rubber maids?Its up to you all now,im going with your dissision since you all are wiser...
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Ball Pythons!!!
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holy smokes!! There are FIVE pages of discussion here telling you that chams are not the easiest animals to raise.

If the deciding factor is whether or not they can be kept in plastic containers, there is NO discussion....it HAS to be the snake!
A cham would die....quickly.
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Just a second here... I can understand how this thread wouldn't exactly ben aproved of, but I think you're blowing this wwaayy out of proportion. It's not as though BP13 came on and said "I'm thinking of getting a camilion, please tell me your experiences with them" in which case improper spelling could be understood. No. Every day BP13 has been coming up with some new scheme to open a reptile store, get a savannah, I've even seen him advising a new herper to get a RETICULATED PYTHON to keep in a 78" x 3' x 2' enclosure (aprx). If he thinks he's old enough to open a reptile store TOMORROW, but doesn't have any idea what kind of animal he wants or how to spell their names (not to mention the simple and frightfully obvious fact that chameleons CANT BE KEPT IN RUBBERMAIDS), then he's got to be prepared to take a little ribbing. Nothing in this post was directly insulting, the information given was obviously false and greatly exagerated. If he wants real information on a new species he's going to buy tomorrow, breed in a few months, a make a million dollars off of in his new reptile store, there's a thing called CARESHEETS. In 30 seconds I could find countless corn snake, ball python or chameleon caresheets. I could also spend 2 seconds on this forum and learn how to properly spell "chameleon".

Once again, while this misinformation and sarcasm was a little uncalled for, I don't think it's a huge crime against humanity.

Heck, he's been told god knows how many times that chameleons cant be kept in rubbermaids, and he's STILL asking about it!

BP13 - why don't you browse the forums for a while longer, when you see something you like research it and ask any questions you have, then get ONE or TWO, and move from there.
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BP13, many have made suggestions on what animals would be best to start with but you seem intent on picking the wrong species to start with! I'm glad you're still asking questions and taking some advice. Hopefully you'll get started on the right track.

You seem dead set on keeping the animals you will get in rubbermaids which is fine, but that pretty much rules out all lizards and leaves you with snakes. Almost all lizards require special UVB lighting and a basking spot which is almost impossible to manage in a rubbermaid. The only species you can do lizards in a rubbermaid is leopard geckos.

As for snakes, cornsnakes and BPs are a good to start with and easy to keep. Don't rule out cornsnakes altogether as they are a very popular pet snake and come in a lot of different colours. They are also very easy to breed and would be a great first breeding project in the future.

Others have mentionned rat snakes, there are rosy boas, hognoses and many more good species to start with.

Read up some care sheets on some of these species and choose for yourself which you would like to start with.

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