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Old 04-15-03, 03:58 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I would have to say the trouser snake is by far the most aggressive especially when in hunting mode.


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I'd say African rock pythons and Amazon tree boas.
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Old 04-15-03, 04:26 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I would have to say the trouser snake is by far the most aggressive especially when in hunting mode.


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LMFAO! Agreed.
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Old 04-15-03, 06:11 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I highly doubt conda's and retics are the most agressive but i would bet you would rember there strike more then any other snake
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hey yep trouser snake for sure meanest one on the planet meaner than all of em (weasles included)
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Old 04-15-03, 08:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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In my opinion I would have to say Reticulated pythons. See I own onw that its mother was wild, so I think it is in his blood. What ever it is, he snaps at the side of the cage when I walk by.

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Old 04-15-03, 09:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Encarta Dictionary defines aggressive as: Likely to harm; showing a readiness or having a tendency to attack or do harm to others. I think that was the initial idea behind this post. Chondro, I honestly don't know where you are coming from here. Yes, snakes in general do not bite to be mean, there is usually an alterial motive behind it--feeding, defense, etc. BUT, if someone asks you what is the difference between a ball python and a african rock, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that you are less likely to get bit by the ball python. This is the same in just about all of God's creatures. If you go out into the woods and start picking up animals, some will bite you, while others will not. So what is the difference? ALL wild caught animals will react differently to human interaction--do they all feel threatened? Yes. Will they all bite? No. This is the whole basis behind the question of this post. Some are more apt to bite, others are not. This is what makes certain animals AGGRESSIVE and others not. Read the ditionary definition again--those that show a tendency to attack. Would you get the same reaction if you tried to pick up a wild boar as you would a wild salamander? Of course not. That is because one is more aggressive than the other.

You also stated that "If snakes can love, then they can't hate and if they can't hate then they can't get angry." But then you go on to say that "animals have instincts, not feelings." Sounds to me to be a contradiction. The act of love or hate is a feeling, not just an instinct. The real question should be, do snakes have feelings? I believe they do, just as they have instincts as well. To say that there is no such thing as an aggressive snake, in my opinion, is incorrect. Certain animals(snakes) have certain reactions to certain situations. Some react with aggression, others do not.
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I'm going to say the ratsnake at my work that we named Evil because he's gotten out twice and bitten every employee there. second would have to be the retic python.

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Would you get the same reaction if you tried to pick up a wild boar as you would a wild salamander? Of course not. That is because one is more aggressive than the other.
No offense, but that's a poor example. A salamander's primary defense is the toxins in it's skin, kind of a passive defense mechanism. I would think you'd need to compare 2 animals that both include biting as a defense mechanism. Therefore, a ringneck snake would also be a poor example. But I get your point.

I have picked up some wild ratsnakes and not suffered a bite. I cannot, however, say the same thing about black racers. EVERY one I've picked up in the wild has bitten me.

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You also stated that "If snakes can love, then they can't hate and if they can't hate then they can't get angry." But then you go on to say that "animals have instincts, not feelings." Sounds to me to be a contradiction.
I think that was a typo, I believe he meant to say "can't love".
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Ya my bad about the can love it was suposed to be can't.

jpaulson... you made a good point on the definition from the dictionary but again royal python is clasified as passive defense hense the name ''ball python''. Now lets compare active defenses retic and rock pythons. but first

''likely to harm; showing a readiness or having a tendency to attack or do harm to others''.

yes go pick up any wild animal and it will show all of those symptoms but why would you f*** with rock python in the wild for anyways.

If you walk buy it at a RESPECTABLE distance is it likely to harm any thing will it show readiness will it have a tendency to attack or do harm. NO! you are at a respectabel distence and dont try to say it dosen't know that we are there, we all know how well a snakes smell is and they feal the vibrations well B4 you even know they are there.

But jump in past that comfert zone and instinct kicks in and they start to feal threatend there for they defend them selves actively and at that they will run unless somthing is stoping them (eggs,food,cornerd) all of witch would resault in a trip to the ER.

Now lets say us humans are smart enuf to stay in that comfert zone will the meanest of the meanest rocks start to chase us out will it try to attack or do harm to us NO why bother waste the energy he/she can sit back and wight for a meal to pass buy and waste the energy on that.

Unlike us humans who sit in a dark room ploting to destroy the world and take great care in planing everything and then we go up in a clock tower and open fire on ppl that did absolutly nothing and that are 100's of feet from our comfert zone and for what just so some sniper can put a bulet in our head because we coulden't do it our selves now that my friend is agressif not instinct.

and you seem to have a good hold on the dictionary there is a word used, to defin giving fealings to animals.

we humans have fealings if my G/F gose and makes love to the boy next door it will hurt my fealings if a male snake mates 6 females in less then an hour do you think the 1st female will care. if so all the breaders beter break up there trios and so on.

any way it was fun typing this cause I learned how to explain this to ppl when they ask me in the future. hope it cleared up a few things.
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Old 04-17-03, 05:27 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I think for the sake of the arguement that is now starting, the thread title should have its name changed too "What snakes are the most THREATENED by human interaction" Instead of most aggressive. Although pretty much everyone understood the gist of the post anyways.... except well the obvious.

"Most humanly threatend snake" Red Coachwhip. They dont like being touched much. So i keep my "Respectable distance" yeah.. That sounds right. huh?
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Old 04-17-03, 05:30 PM   #27 (permalink)
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PS Snakes do have feelings, for example.
if one is say.. Mistreated it may become hostile towards humans in general. Where as a snake can be handled with care and responsibility it will accept human interaction more readily. Of course some cases are a lost cause, but i do in fact feel that they do have feelings. Not many other animals on earth have a structure of feeling like humans. So i feel the comparison between snakes and humans is incredibly weak. Where is the comparison? I dont see one.
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first off man it would not be "What snakes are the most THREATENED by human interaction" it wold be what snake is the most defensive during human interaction.Cause snakes in general will be threaten but will defend them selves in a difrent maner. It is not the first time you try to give one of my post a hard time. Yes it is a lame comparesin snake fealings Vs human fealinghs but go get any wild caught rock or retic and love them all you want, then turn your back on them one day and then bam you have just become a statistic are you saying that a willd retic or rock is mistreated in it's natural home. I don't think that is the case a pasive captive bread rock or retic LEARNS that humans pose no threats there for will not tend to deffend them selves go ahead and beat up a retic for the best part of its life it will not becaume mad or agressive it will become a willd animal like it is suposed to be and it will regester in it's brain that humans are a threat and there for defend them selves against humans.

If you think you train a reptile and have it show ANY kind of afection twords you plz dont get any thing that can kill you becaus I dont want the reptile laws to get any worst then they are.

any way later ppl
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Chondro, you made some valid points--well taken. I was only commenting on the fact that you stated that there "are no such thing as an aggressive snake". We could go around and around and around on this subject, and nit-pick it to death, and bring up all kinds of illustrations and examples. In my opinion, there are aggressive snakes--that is how I see it, and how it is defined by our dictionary use of it.

IMO, BTW, there is no difference between saying "which snake is most THREATENED" and "which snake is most DEFENSIVE"--they go hand in hand. Anything that is threatened will be defensive, and anything showing defensive tendencies is doing so because it feels threatened. Lets not chew this thing to death here, guys.

Good points made by each side--a good debate as well. I, for one, never turn down a good debate.
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affection is a type of of emotion! there are MILLIONS!
humans show many of these, snakes dont! bad comparison! put one and one together.

Defensive!?!?! place the two together man, those that are threatened become defensive! same thing.

as far as giving your posts a hard time, you come off sounding as if you give everyone elses posts a hard time, so look at your own then talk. Iam simply correcting you, sorry mr einstein for disagreeing.
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