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Old 04-07-03, 03:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Fecal tests/parasites

How many of you get every snake you buy tested for parasites? What if you know they are all CB, and what about the ones who come from "good" breeders? I quarentine all my animals for six months, but have never had fecal tests done on any of them, because they all appear healthy (put on weight well, make pretty poop, etc.) and most of them are from well known, and/or responsible breeders. Opinions?

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I used to always, but now I rarely ever do. Unless I am totally confident in the animal (ie- got it from someone who I kow for certain had wormed them, or really really trust the person who bred the animal itself), I treat newcomers with fenbendazole. If any of the animals have runny stools, or have excess gas, etc. then I also treat them with fenbendazole. If I can't solve the problem myself, that's when a fecal is in order
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When i get a new snake i take a good look at the poops. If they are ok i leave it to the quarantine place for a short period. If the feces are smelly-green or/and watery, i use panacur for internal parasites. This is a must, for these snakes. If don't have this treatment they will have a lot of health problems in the future and might even die.
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I get every snake tested but then I have my vet friends over at least once a week since I run a rescue out of my house so it's not like I'm paying per fecal. You'd be surprised how many snakes have pinworms that don't show symptoms.
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Pinworms should be visible in the stool itself, and should usually cause itching to the snake, so I'm guessing tail-rubbing or something would result that would be visible if you watched carefully. These are the symptoms in humans, at least (yep, my job is really gross sometimes!)

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I usualy quarentien them for a few months and get a stoll sample checked by the vet.

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Pinworms are not visible anywhere near as often in snake feces, as they normally get a strain which comes from rodents and is therefore considerably smaller than a human's would be. People generally get a strain more commonly found in hoofstock like cattle and horses.

Best way to detect them is a fecal smear on a microscope slide. While they aren't microscopic they are indeed very tiny! They don't usually cause itching in the way they do in mammals, and so you can't go by a snakes' behavior. Itching in mammals is rectal, a cloaca isn't a mucus membrane and doesn't produce histamine the way a rectum does.
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Oops I meant to say humans get hoofstock strains IF they pick up a zoonotic strain. Primarily they get a class of worm that is entirely restricted to human beings.

Snakes get syphacians, humans get enterobians. Both are called pinworms but they are not even in the same genus.
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Geez, you know a lot about worms O_o



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Perhaps I'm not as diligent as some herp keeper but here is what I have done so far. I had a fecal done on my first Leo and it was clear. I had a fecal done on my first snake and it was clear. After that I took in three rescue Leos. Two were housed together but I took one and my b/f took the other one. The one I took was extremely skinny so she went to the vet and had a fecal done which came out clear. Since she was housed with the other one, we just assumed he was free of parasites too. Plus it was the only herp my b/f had so there wasn't a risk of transmitting anything to other herps. We just decided to monitor it's health, which was picture perfect. The third rescue which came from the same family as the other two but was housed separately was the healthiest looking of them all so I did not have him tested since I'd be keeping him separate from the others. I've had them all for almost a year now with no signs of ill health. The most important thing, which I am diligent about is disinfecting your hands in between handlings, cleanings etc. It's one thing to keep herps in separate tanks but it does you no good if you don't disinfect your hands in between. If my herp collection ever grows, I plan to learn to do my own fecal float. I have heard it is not that difficult. Even if I can't identify the parasite I would at least be able to identify a clean fecal. Then if I found something unusual I'd take it to the vet to get checked out. The problem for me is that most vets around here wont do a fecal without examining the animal first for a 40 dollar fee. Plus another 10 for the fecal. I don't know a ton about every reptile but I know my own fairly well, perhaps better than most of the vets I have been to so far so it's only worth the 50 dollars to me if I have a reason to believe something is wrong.
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I worked for a the local vet in my home town when I was growing up, so for the most part I just take fecals to him and he does it for me for free. But I dont have every animal checked, I normaly go by what I see, and what I feel needs to be done!
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I used to always, but now I rarely ever do. Unless I am totally confident in the animal (ie- got it from someone who I kow for certain had wormed them, or really really trust the person who bred the animal itself), I treat newcomers with fenbendazole.
This is precisely my answer and my method exactly. At this point I get fecals if I've already treated with fenbendazole (panacur, repeated at 2 weeks) and the animal is still displaying symptoms.

To whoever it was above who mentioned a sick animal showing a clean fecal - many types of parasites will not appear on a routine fecal. Also you will find that they don't always shed eggs, so they can get 3 clean fecals and 1 dirty. This is especially typical of cyrpto, in which case a gastric lavage (or stomach wash) is the next step.
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Where do you get panacur, how how/how much do you give? I've dosed many different animals/people with various meds, so I'm sure I could handle this with a little instruction.

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Froglet:
Crypto is a whole other story. Regular fecals don't test for it. Most vets charge around $100 american for a crypto test. I never bother with that unless there are signs of crypto. Crypto can only be transmitted through fecal contact, so again, cleanliness eliminates 99% of the risk.

If you were referring to me about the sick animal with the clean fecal, she was not sick, she was grossly underfed before I took her in. She doubled in weight two weeks after I took her in. A sick Leo would not have bounced back so quickly.

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Wow, I didn't realize panacur was so readily available. You can get it at www.herpsupplies.com.

http://www.herpsupplies.com/cgi-bin/...R_ID=929610857
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