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Old 04-02-03, 09:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok I am now SO close to tears I feel sick. My daughter was sitting next to the chair playing with our dog who happens to be a 9 month chow. I hear a yelp and next thing I know my kid is crying I scold the dog and throw him out side and hold my daughter without even looking at her face then when I get her calmed down I see this........


Only with a bit more blood

She says he bit her to me it looks like a scratch. He has never bitten anyone or thing so I dont know what to believe if its a bite He is out the door I cant have that here with a 2 year old. I love that dog but I love her more. Id like to believe her but then again Ive seen her say he has bitten her before when I was watching and he was no where near her.

I dont know what to do aside from ask what do you guys think bite or scratch?

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Old 04-02-03, 09:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Aawww , shes so sweet looking,, to me it looks like a nip bite, not as if the dog was gona do harm but a warning bite the kind where the dog just nips..could be a scratch but i would have to go with a nip.. sorry to see that pic shes so cute..aaawwww Chows are one person, one family dogs and sometimes they can get very jelious of a family memeber or they dont tolerate being messed with by kids,, I should know as i have rescued alot of chows because of there behavour and that the breed its self was miss understood.. but anyways you give her a huge hug for me...
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Old 04-02-03, 10:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I dont think thats a bite.. but it depends on the breed of the dog, and chows have a rep for being nasty. Ive never seen a chow be tame at all, if i were you id find him a new home and go get yourself a lab or something. Last thing you want if you're a dog lover is your kid being afraid of dogs.

But to answer your question it does look more like a scratch too me.
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Even if it was a bite, odds are your child was pestering him. You say the dog yelped and then your child cried. what did your child do to make him yelp? odds are he was just defending himself the only way he knew how. It's not uncommon for small children to pull hair, tails, scratch, punch, pinch to get a reaction. Teach your kid to leave the dog alone.
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I agree with Lisa because that's usually what the case is.
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she probley mildly hurt the dog teach her that the dog is just like a person they dont like hands in the face or obviously being hurt
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well I went to my sisters since she usually can get the truth out of Lenore, my daughter, and she is sticking to her story. She was pestering him so I wont "tell Santa to come take him back" but he will be sporting a new muzzle tomorrow until she learns to play nicely and he is out of his puppy stage. I have never had a problem with him he is not an agressive dog in the slightest he is overly friendly if you ask me.
By the way here is a pic of the culprit,


Lenore is putting him on time out there Thats where I put him when I dry his hair after baths.
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This is me at about 2 yrs old (after surgery):



32 stitches, inside and out. They had to put the membrane together first before the skin...all done with a local It was just me and the doctor. My mom passed out everytime the needle went through my nose. After the third time they drug her out of the room.

This is the *grumble grumble* that did it:



Is it any wonder why I am a cat and snake person now? To me it looks as if your little one got off easy. Chows are notorious for being nippy and at the wrong times. I'm glad she's ok, but it could very well have been much worse. Hugs to you and your family.

edited to add: I wasn't pestering the one that bit me. He was just mean like that. I hope she learns to not pester your dog anymore.
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OK heres an up date.

Now that I have had a chance to calm down and think rationally about the situation I am convinced it is a bite.

They both were sitting across the room from me so it not like I left them unattended. She was on the floor playing with him, I looked away for a minute or so and I heard a yelp. Dogs don't yelp then scratch they yelp and bite its instinct. Instantly she was crying I looked over and she wasn't knocked down she was still sitting only leaning over sorta doubled up. If the dog used his paw on her she woulda been knocked over by the blow. Also there are 6 scratched the last is very faint and you cant see it in the pic the 2 in front are puncture wounds which I figure had to have come from the canine teeth.
If Jack was an adult dog he would be outta here but he is a puppy and Lenore can be a bit hard on him at times. Ive caught her biting his ears and the list goes on. Jack is the biggest baby he isnt in the slightest mean, when he hears somebody comming up the stairs to the apartment he doesn't bark he whines and wags his tail. Its so embarrasing! I take him to the leashless beach here at least 3 times a week and every else I go, he is very socialized.
Its my belief he didnt do this out of agression but instinct of her hurting him somehow. None the less he is now sporting head gear like he should have been in the first place.
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by the way LdyDrgn that is just awful! I can relate to your mom my stomache does a flip every time I see my daughters beautiful face with those marks on it.
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Courage for you and your sweet daughter. I agree with Lisa and Bryce Masuk. Some dogs don't tolerate too much children and their strange reactions. since it is not a Lambrador and it's a Chow chow, you should teach her how she can play with each animal. She is lucky to have animals to grow withh. I disagree with LdyDrgn. She must not learn to be afraid of any animal. Simply you must teach her how to "play" with each animal. Animals are great for children. Especialy mammals. Children learn a lot from them with trial and error. It's in our hands that the errors won't be dramatic and paintful. The next thing you have to do is to observe the dog for any change in his behaviour. If all is alright (that i believe to be), i even advise to meet them (daughter-dog) again after some time. It is essential for her to regain her confidence and stop afraid the dog.
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I never said she should be afraid of the dog. I said she should learn to not pester it. Unknownclown said that she has caught her daughter biting the dog's ears, etc. And as you can see, the girl is still around the dog in the second pic she posted.

I am the one afraid of dogs because of what happened to me. My mother said it took me years before I would even get near a puppy. If I am introduced to a dog, then it isn't so bad, but I am still nervous around them.
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Well for one I think you are correct. Your dog is in puppy mode still.

He is fighting for dominence with her. OR she was pestering him. Either way you must teach the child to A. Not tease him. and B. Never put her face near his face.

I have a Jack Russell Terrier. A very loving playful one but aggresive, dominate, and queen of the house. Jack Russells, like Chow Chows aren't childrens dogs. They do NOT tolerate teasing, loud screeching from kids, rough play with kids etc. So when my roomate started bringing his 5 year old son over you can see where I was concerned.

At first she nipped him when he would get excited. Calvin would yell "daddy" in a high tone and she would bite him. Eventually after punishments and making her obey Calvin it stopped.

Calvin gives Sonique her food when he is here. She depends on him. Calvin tells her to sit, stay, not to beg, etc when he is here. She knows she must listen to him. This has really helped. And keep taking him out in public, LOTS. And to parks with kids yelling (protective muzzle or leash of course) and lots of places where he will get used to anything.

In the end of course YOU must decide how much danger this dog presents to you and your family. But when you get a dog, you agree to take ALL his problems. And if this means you maybe have to pay for classes for him, and your daughter to attend together, or something else. Then do it. Don't let another dog loose and home, or a child her nose! I am glad you are willing to work with him. Try asking questions on dog newsgroups, dog forums, message boards etc. There is a lot of great free advice out there.

Good luck! I know what its like having an aggresive dog!

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It looks like a scratch because if it was a bite it would be deeper.

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One thing is for sure. If the dog did bite the child, it was an accident or warning bite. I do not see any marks on the bottom of the child's cheek. This would lead me to believe that it is a scratch. However, no bite or scratch is worth a child being hurt. I suggest you keep them apart until she get's big enough to be alone with the dog.
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