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Old 05-30-02, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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parsons chameleon...

i'm thinking about getting a parsons chameleon...even though they get over 2 feet long!!!...yikes...but i still want one...but i need to know somewhere near by to get one...i live pretty close to toronto....also....does anyone know how much these guys are??:weeble: heehee...i like that one.
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well

Don't qoute me, but I *think* I have read that Parson's are very difficult to keep in captivity, and that makes them a rarer species when trying to find one. And can cost more than a couple thousand.

Although it might have been another large cham I am thinking of, I am pretty sure it was Parsons.
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Go here........

If you want info on them (of which, there is TONS on the Net).


http://aherp.com/is/sauria/cparsonii_e.htm
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Hey,i think port credit pet centre has one right now.
I thought i saw one there the other day, it'll run you
a little shy of 200$. Don't quote me on that, but next
time im there i'll check for you.
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this chameleon is extremely rare. It has been illegal to export frog madagascare for 4-5 years i believe. This past 6 months many chameleon lovers witnessed the first shipment of them since they were illegal to export. getting us all excited we soon found out that this shipment was illegal and was confinscated by fish and wilf life. The chameleons were shipped around the country of the USA and barely any private breeder was able to get to see. One private breeder did report that this shipment was true by providing pictures of the animals (can be veiwed at www.calumma.com).


Whys is this species so rare? because this species does not take a year to mature like most chameleons. From what i remeber i believe it takes them four years to mature. This species need lots of room and have very different requirements than most other chameleons. I have talked to a number of keepers in the usa who are trying to breed this species but at this time most specimens are still maturing. The first F2 clutch was hatched out in germany a coupel months back i believe and that was the first clutch in 2 years from what i have heard. as you are starting to realize this species takes up alot of time, makeing sure everything is perfect and thats its in good condition.

This species of chameleon ussually is sold at 900 - 1500 american. Which makes it around 1500 canadian (at the cheapest) to accuire. I personally would never trust anyone thats has barely any experience with chameleons, sorry a couple veileds or panthers just isn't enough. But if you had success in keeping species like fucifer lateralis (carpet chameleon) or other rare chameleons that are rarely being breed and you have successfully bred them, than i would trust you with a parsons. Most breeders will look around and find out your successes before even saying that they will sell you a pair. whoa where did a pair come from. well since this species is so rare ussually they are sold in pair, hey this species is barely in the hobby we need more people trying to establish it better.

as for pot credit having one for sale, its probably a panther. most of the calumma species aren't even in the hobby and parsons hasen't been in a pet shop for 4 years. Well hopefully this explained the whole parsons thing to some people, and that i didn't just rant.

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wow,,,

i had no clue that they were that rare!....i figured they wre just like any other cham...they sound like alot of work so i wont bother.....but what about giant spiny chameleons? or are they the same?
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hey,

werneri are not rare as wc specimens. But as captives i don't ussually hear to much about because not to many people work with them. Mainly because they are not on the wanted list when it comes to chameleons. Well personally i do not like them but they kind of remind me as a jacksons without the green and the extended crest.

As for spiney's they are big. the smallest i have ever seen them being kept in was a 4' x 2' x 2' (hx l x w). I think they are awsome in color but they need that 70% + humidity like most other furcifer chams and is a pain to give. How u considered and Oustalet's personally i love these guys but don't have the room for them.

as for breeders the only one i know of in in calgary and i am not sure if he ships to toronto, yet. well private message me and i will send you an e-mail for him.

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thanks...

yeah the werners are just like jacksons...i guess thats how the pet store messed up in giving me the werners....that wereners is the nicest chameleon i have though....she begs to come out of her cage to go on my hand and walk around outside!...shes very tame...the others dont let me do that
dont worry about the cage size (for the spiny)....i have the room....the humidity will be a pain but i'll come up with something. i'll look up info on the Oustalet's....do they get as large as the parsons or spineys?....thats kinda what i'm going for...i was looking for a larger species...i will send you a private message on ssnakess.com...or should i just email you?....yeah..i'll email you and ask for that guy's email...the one in calgary
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Oustalet's

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well the Oustalet's does get bigger than the spineys. probably the closest to a parsons size as you will get because they range around 24 inches in total lenght, will the parsons are around 25-26. the only problem is that they don't have as much color as the spiney's so if you are going for size and color, go for the spiney's, if your going for large go for Oustalet's but you have to remember there is like a difference of like _________________ that much which isn't really that much because its mainly tail.

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spineys sound better...

i think i'll go for the spineys because they do have alot nicer colours....but if i cant get a spiny or they are too expensive or something...then i'll go for oustalets ( i cant seem to pronounce that name...) if you know of anyone who sells either of them nearby...please tell me
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