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Old 09-12-19, 05:24 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Snake not eating

Well I had done a bunch of research and that's where I read about braining. I only have about 2 years experience so... yeah I was worried she wasn't eating after a week like my other snakes. I tried to feed when the snake was delivered, a Friday. Tried again a week later. Then I tried this monday, which wasn't five days. I did not know they could go months without eating. That's why I came on here for help, from more experienced people. I read/research a lot contrary to what you believe. I won't para phrase things such as "soak and peel" again in the future. These care sheets and things you find online are not always as good as talking to an actual person. I mentioned the shed because I know they don't usually go for food during that time. Was I wrong to assist in shedding? I had her for a week and a half and she was in shed(i know this is about a 2 week process but i don't know how long she was in shed before arriving) all that time before I did and I can assure you I was gentle. Temps are 90 at basking side and around 75 on the cool side. I have temperature gauges, I try not to write a novel for every post. Try to be understanding of us less experienced handlers and teach us something instead of assuming the worst.

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Old 09-13-19, 11:44 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Snake not eating

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Right??? I actually wonder how so many new keepers have heard of braining but not a thermostat...
Good news is thermostats are quite common and becoming more common.

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Well I had done a bunch of research and that's where I read about braining. I only have about 2 years experience so... yeah I was worried she wasn't eating after a week like my other snakes. I tried to feed when the snake was delivered, a Friday. Tried again a week later. Then I tried this monday, which wasn't five days. I did not know they could go months without eating. That's why I came on here for help, from more experienced people. I read/research a lot contrary to what you believe. I won't para phrase things such as "soak and peel" again in the future. These care sheets and things you find online are not always as good as talking to an actual person. I mentioned the shed because I know they don't usually go for food during that time. Was I wrong to assist in shedding? I had her for a week and a half and she was in shed(i know this is about a 2 week process but i don't know how long she was in shed before arriving) all that time before I did and I can assure you I was gentle. Temps are 90 at basking side and around 75 on the cool side. I have temperature gauges, I try not to write a novel for every post. Try to be understanding of us less experienced handlers and teach us something instead of assuming the worst.
Sorry I wasn't taking a shot at you for trying the braining method. You did what you thought was right by doing research. Which is what you should have done. You've taken the correct steps in ensuring you have a healthy snake, you haven't seen the results you're looking for but you've done your best and I can't fault that.

Anyway, that aside, assist in shedding isn't bad. I don't know how you did it but what I do if I somehow have a bad shed is first I just really wet down the substrate and see if in a day the snake does it on it's own. If not, then I'll use a damp wash cloth and allow the snake to just slither through my hand/washcloth and get the skin off on it's own. When they get really tough I have other methods but usually these work wonders. To avoid having to assist, you can supply your snake with a moist/humid hide or really spray down the enclosure during the shed cycle.

As for feeding, just keep being consistent and if you feel the need try a live prey item. Use a smaller one like a pinky or fuzzy without it's eyes open so you can leave it overnight and it not be an issue in hurting your snake.

If you want to ensure you've covered your bases double check your husbandry, ensure your temps are where you believe them to be and check the instruments you're using to check them to ensure they are working correctly. More than once someone has used a broken thermometer and not known it!
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Old 09-15-19, 07:20 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Thanks. I had supervised soaked her and very gently rubbed my finger over the peeling spots. One spot was stuck bad, the rest peeled off like a glove. She had successfully shed her head but still had shed stuck on the last half of her body. I gave her at least 3 days at that point with extra misting and she wasn't shedding the rest off with any success so I assisted then. I know my touch is gentle, I raised up little neonate dekay's this year. You were very helpful in all your comments and I thank you for that. Someone else was going straight to "poor animals" and such instead of trying to be helpful. Also they didn't have all the details to jump to those conclusions. Not looking to argue or anything of the sort, I was just asking they try to teach someone better instead of acting that way.

My apricot pueblan milk snake seems to be doing great so far. She's very active in tank as she should be after shedding now. She doesn't scurry off or anything like that when I'm in the room. Hopefully she will eat tomorrow(7 days from last attempt). I have some baby tree frogs I might try if she doesn't go for the f/t pinky.
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Old 09-16-19, 03:51 AM   #19 (permalink)
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You're trying too hard. Snakes won't deliberately starve themselves to death, and can go months without eating.
Leave the snake alone for about a week, and then try again with a very warm (body temperature warm) mouse.
Use tongs, and see if it will eat.
If not, wait another week, try again.
If it still won't eat after about 3 weeks, try a live prey.
My guy is a picky eater who will turn his nose up at a f/t, but the second you plop a live pinkie in his deli cup, it's gone.


If you just CAN'T stomach the thought of live prey, you can try putting the snake in a deli cup, (lid on with small airholes), and leave it in the dark for a few hours with the f/t, or you can also rub a f/t on a live rodent and scent it, or even the bedding of a live rodent or I have also heard lizards or even tuna, but no 100% confirmation on the tuna thing.


If you do use the deli cup method, set it inside the enclosure, and once it's done, remove the lid and allow it to crawl out of it's own accord to avoid regurgitation and added stress.


it's frustrating when your pet won't eat, by nature, we WANT them to eat, but with snakes, you can mother hen them to much and actually cause them to not want to eat, so just let it chill and learn where it's own safe zones are at.


Snakes live a long, long time, you have plenty of years to bind with your snek!
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You're trying too hard. Snakes won't deliberately starve themselves to death, and can go months without eating.
Leave the snake alone for about a week, and then try again with a very warm (body temperature warm) mouse.
Use tongs, and see if it will eat.
If not, wait another week, try again.
If it still won't eat after about 3 weeks, try a live prey.
My guy is a picky eater who will turn his nose up at a f/t, but the second you plop a live pinkie in his deli cup, it's gone.


If you just CAN'T stomach the thought of live prey, you can try putting the snake in a deli cup, (lid on with small airholes), and leave it in the dark for a few hours with the f/t, or you can also rub a f/t on a live rodent and scent it, or even the bedding of a live rodent or I have also heard lizards or even tuna, but no 100% confirmation on the tuna thing.


If you do use the deli cup method, set it inside the enclosure, and once it's done, remove the lid and allow it to crawl out of it's own accord to avoid regurgitation and added stress.


it's frustrating when your pet won't eat, by nature, we WANT them to eat, but with snakes, you can mother hen them to much and actually cause them to not want to eat, so just let it chill and learn where it's own safe zones are at.


Snakes live a long, long time, you have plenty of years to bind with your snek!
She's a new snake so I'm just over worrying her eating. I have other snakes that went to eating f/t for me so well. This is my first animal that won't eat. I was going to attempt to feed her tonight but she went into hiding before I had the f/t ready. Got my smaller garter snake on f/t's and off worms though, so it didn't go to waste. I'll try again when I can catch her out. She seemed interested before but didn't bite. I've only tried a few times and then realized she was in shed. I waited a week. Waited 3 days, should've waited longer. Today was a week from then. She was shipped to me in shed. I didn't get to see her first going into shed. The only handling I did was to assist her shedding when she wasn't getting it herself after several days plus extra misting.
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Old 09-22-19, 07:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Snake not eating

She finally ate. Tried a live pinky in a little cup in her tank. She didn't go for it. I left it in tank loose and walked in on her coiled around it later. I did get a chance with F/T monday but she didn't bite. She crawled over and under it and then danced around the front of the tank as if to mock me when I left it in the tank lol. Seems she wants more privacy. I don't hover over the tank but I will hang back in the room to see if she goes for it. I've seen her show interest before so I will just try giving her lots more space.
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