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Old 04-12-17, 02:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is this really necessary?

I'm not sure where to post this, but do snake owners typically do this sort of thing to their feeder animals?

Stupid kids. If you're going to keep or purchase animals, gotta learn some respect for them. What are their parents doing?
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Re: Is this really necessary?

No it is not, and nobody on here would do such a thing! I approved this message so more people can report these videos! Please everyone report them for animal abuse!
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Thanks for posting that, and welcome to sSNAKESs!
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Old 04-12-17, 07:03 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No it is not, and nobody on here would do such a thing! I approved this message so more people can report these videos! Please everyone report them for animal abuse!
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The video is unavailable for me. What was the video about?
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It was removed from YouTube. I could barely watch it when it was up. Some kids had a feeder rat and were throwing it around and shooting it with a BB gun. Blatant animal abuse. I watched a little more than half of it before I flagged it and moved on. Most of us aren't like this, but I guess it just takes a few rotten eggs to spoil the bunch.
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It was removed from YouTube. I could barely watch it when it was up. Some kids had a feeder rat and were throwing it around and shooting it with a BB gun. Blatant animal abuse. I watched a little more than half of it before I flagged it and moved on. Most of us aren't like this, but I guess it just takes a few rotten eggs to spoil the bunch.
Wow, poor rat. Just because its aniamls that was going to be fed to a snake, doesn't mean it doesn't have feelings. Poor rat.
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Old 04-12-17, 10:00 AM   #7 (permalink)
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And this is why I find it difficult to like people.
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Re: Is this really necessary?

This is not typical in the community AT ALL! I was just on a discussion on a group, where they were in a heated debate on the best euthanization techniques for their feeder rats. One person did it *this* way, another did it *that* way, both were debating on which way would cause the rat the least amount of distress in it's passing. That's what I've seen as typical in this community. I'm glad the YouTube video was removed. I've seen similar videos of idiots torturing their snakes with comments like "it's just a dumb snake".
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I may get frustrated with some of them who have personality problems and so don't handle them the gentlest, not to take it out on them but avoid another bleeding gash or they've developed a tendency for unpredictable suicide leaps and have to be grabbed a bit haphazardly to accomplish quickly enough, but they still die as quickly as possible without any unnecessary steps from getting them out of cage to making them food. Most groups will periodically discuss methods and some are very strict about what is even allowed at all and how controlled the co2 system concentration has to be.
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I may get frustrated with some of them who have personality problems and so don't handle them the gentlest, not to take it out on them but avoid another bleeding gash or they've developed a tendency for unpredictable suicide leaps and have to be grabbed a bit haphazardly to accomplish quickly enough, but they still die as quickly as possible without any unnecessary steps from getting them out of cage to making them food. Most groups will periodically discuss methods and some are very strict about what is even allowed at all and how controlled the co2 system concentration has to be.
But all these methods, yours and the CO2, are all humane methods. You don't torture your feeders. It makes me sad to know there are kids out there that think this is ok, because it's just a feeder animal. Someone raised them with that deficiency; they most likely weren't born that way.
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While it's one thing to be fascinated by the ways snakes capture and dispatch their prey, it's a whole different ballgame when folks start getting off on the suffering of any of the animals involved. I think you should have the utmost respect for anything you or your animals have to eat and try to obtain it with the least possible amount of suffering (and I'm not even close to a vegetarian). I am simultaneously glad that most in our hobby take care and consideration of these things and disgusted that people like those in that video cannot themselves be: a) banned from being around any animal. b) have the crap kicked/stupid slapped out of them.
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Never saw the video but people abusing animals is nothing new and rats are not special, hamsters, rats, cats, dogs etc. I forget the source but fairly sure many serial killers start out hurting animals. Stepping stones, move up the food chain, animals are small by size and many have trust in humans they know and don't think harm will come to them. People torturing animals for enjoyment have characteristics of sociopaths. I can't type the rest of my thoughts because I'd likely be banned.
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I've always been good to my feeders. Give them fresh food, made them a wood house, occasionally allow them to gorge themselves on fruit, ect. Even of they're food, they're still animals. They still deserve the respect to be treated properly. Anything short of that is animal abuse. Glad that video is gone.
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I didn't understand the people who prefer to have a snake kill live prey until I decided to clear the feeder anole tank experiment and rather than catch each one of those fast critters to feed out I just stuck a corn snake outgrowing his 10gallon in there. He had a complex tank to hunt in and I thought it would take awhile but he was obsessed. Some were dumb and just sat in the plant despite the snake knowing they were there and his comical attempts to blend into plant or wood when he's purple so they were gone early. A few were smarter and he stalked them a little longer. It was very stimulating and he was very active and has continued to be. He's the main one we watch now and I hate to downgrade him at all but I wanted to clear the tank for other lizards. He ate a fuzzy mouse about 2 weeks later so peoples' worries he wouldn't go back to rodents did not happen in that case. I plan an easier to breed feeder lizard. I would not call it torture but while I see the attempted behavior in live feeding it's not happening when you put a rodent in a regular size, regular level of obstacles tank/bin. Feeder rodents don't have natural instinct or training to recognize a predator so they are just an annoyance that will run right over the snake and there is no hunting down the food. Just potentially stressing a rodent before a snake decides to kill it a bit slower than usual methods people use. I don't see the point there (start eating f/t you dang python). From the sounds of it the video though was just causing injury for entertainment and no other reason which is obviously quite different from the various methods, even those more questioned, of feeding your own rodents.
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Re: Is this really necessary?

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I didn't understand the people who prefer to have a snake kill live prey until I decided to clear the feeder anole tank experiment and rather than catch each one of those fast critters to feed out I just stuck a corn snake outgrowing his 10gallon in there. He had a complex tank to hunt in and I thought it would take awhile but he was obsessed. Some were dumb and just sat in the plant despite the snake knowing they were there and his comical attempts to blend into plant or wood when he's purple so they were gone early. A few were smarter and he stalked them a little longer. It was very stimulating and he was very active and has continued to be. He's the main one we watch now and I hate to downgrade him at all but I wanted to clear the tank for other lizards. He ate a fuzzy mouse about 2 weeks later so peoples' worries he wouldn't go back to rodents did not happen in that case. I plan an easier to breed feeder lizard. I would not call it torture but while I see the attempted behavior in live feeding it's not happening when you put a rodent in a regular size, regular level of obstacles tank/bin. Feeder rodents don't have natural instinct or training to recognize a predator so they are just an annoyance that will run right over the snake and there is no hunting down the food. Just potentially stressing a rodent before a snake decides to kill it a bit slower than usual methods people use. I don't see the point there (start eating f/t you dang python). From the sounds of it the video though was just causing injury for entertainment and no other reason which is obviously quite different from the various methods, even those more questioned, of feeding your own rodents.
Even with live feeding a snake, although it's true they are in a confined area and have no fighting chance at survival, it's still nature taking its course. Supervised and in captivity, but still nature. I realize this is beating a dead horse and stuff. your method of clearing out the lizards was still humane, and nature driven.

We were really lucky when we were still feeding live, because those snakes had a great feeding response. The rats would be squeezed almost the instant they were put in with the snake. There were maybe a small handful of times where it didn't happen (had a snake that didn't eat well, and eventually passed away), and my husband humanely ended the rat, or we fed it to another eager eater so it wouldn't suffer (stress of being in an enclosure with a snake. If they had their eyes open, you could see them shake in fear. Mostly they were pinkies and had no idea what was happening).
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