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Old 02-22-03, 09:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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keep it PG!!

after walking in my room and finding these two, i had to have a loooooong talk to the both of them



P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol.
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Old 02-22-03, 09:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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how cute.. take this kind of pict in 2 years with the same snake.. lol
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Old 02-22-03, 09:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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lol, he wouldnt fit, lol, well at least 1/4 would.
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Two replys so far and neither one says 'Letting the two very different species co-mingle together is NOT a very bright idea.

The two species being from different parts of the world, do have a naturally occuring set of their own specific virus and bacteria which can get the other sick or very possibly kill them.

This is exactly the type of thing that causes so many mystery illnesses from pet store animals.

I seem to recall a pic somewhere on here where ya had them housed together also.
Same thing, Bad Idea.

You really need to pay attention to the good advice you find rather than doing what you wish with the animals.
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Old 02-23-03, 12:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Oh man lighten up ! The animals are both in the same collection so any risk of disease isn't worth mentioning.I don't know of anyone that keeps multiple herps that strictly quarantines them at all times.
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Actually, Snakey Acres, nosocomial infection is a leading cause of herp death on necropsies. NI is when species pick up bacterial or viral infections from seemingly healthy housemates and are immunologically unequipped to fight it off.

I speak from 15 years experience as a veterinary surgical tech. Mixing species can kill! Hygiene and quarantine are hallmarks of a true herper. I know hundreds of people that follow these protocols religiously.
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I agree with you guys' housing regulations and quarantine but one must think that when a serious illness comes in a collection from snake to snake being put together..its normally when youd have very healthy captive breds (ball python, burmese python and columbian boa) and then had all of them in a group pic with a wild caught emerald tree boa. thats when it gets dangerous. all the captive breds have been under quarantine all their life..theres almost no chance that they have *serious diseases*. so when they are put together it doesnt make much of a difference.

Nice pic by the way snakeman87! I know both your snakes were both captive bred..thats why im not complaining! lol plus its just a lil pic!

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Chondro Python I think you are thinking of disease that is normal in wild caught animals and others...like say parasites. Things that are treatable at the vet or show up.

What I think they are talking about is the naturally occuring things inside each species that they can handle and normally go unnoticed throughout life, but another species does not naturally carry hence the reason they can get sick.

Although I could be wrong.

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Agreed with THe Omen. Mixing is NEVER a good Idea, I'm too lazy to tell why, If you really want to know MY reason, e-mail me in the day!!
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Especially when U are talking about mixing a boa with a pythn.. many boas can harbour different things tat will remain dormant but in pythons can severly harm them or kill em...
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Old 02-23-03, 10:27 AM   #11 (permalink)
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when you guys say "mixing" if your thinking of housing together im not, and they were there for less than 2 minutes chill out, i know the precautions.And both were CB and taken to the vets and very healthy.
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after walking in my room and finding these two
Strange that there are inconsistancies in the story.


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and they were there for less than 2 minutes chill out,
Which is it?
You walked into your room and found them or you placed one into the others cage?

Very nice pics of them in the cage together in more than one pic.

Look closely in the top left hand corner, see the substrate?


Look on the back wall to the right, you will see the boa in with the python.



Another one showing clearly that there is a boa and a python together.


Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, must be a duck!
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Another problem , besides the cross-contamination, is that boas and pythons have different temperature and humidity requirements.

Also, if the boa was ever exposed to any others that have had IBD, and it does develop fully, then chances are that the pythons will die quickly.

Many breeders use, or used to use, BPs as their test for the prescence of IBD in the boas as the BP would quickly die in the event that the boas carried it.

You have two snakes that are from different parts of the world that have different care needs.

Not to mention, if any of the breeders were feeding live or prekilled, the chances of parasitic contamination is greatly increased in the collection.

Way too many probs with them living together.
If you can't afford to house and care for them properly, perhaps another hobby would be best for you.
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"MY OPINION"

MAN YOU ALL NEED TO CHILL RIGHT OUT READ WHAT HE WROTE

"THERE NOT HOUSED TOGETHER"

IF YOU HAVE ISSUES ABOUT PEOPLE HOUSING THERE DIFERENT SNAKES TOGETHER, FIND SOMEONE WHO ACCUALY HAS THEM TOGETHER ....


MAN YOU ALL NEED TO RELAX "CHILL OUT "
(sorry for the caps , i wasn't paying attention and didn't ralize it was onand im to lazy to re-type)

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p.s. The_Omen: a few pictures in NOT grounds for accusations unless you see these snakes on a regular basis housed together.

i am not trying to start a fight i am only expressing my "OPINION" just like everyone else...i could go take a bunch of pictures of my snakes together for display perposes etc.. it does not mean they live together....
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Old 02-23-03, 12:45 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I did read what he wrote.

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after walking in my room and finding these two
Funny how he has boas and pythons but only pics of ONE cage that they are in on pretty much different pics on different days.

He is violating all quarentine protocol with them in the water tub together also, no matter what.

It has been proven time after time in the past and many others here seem to agree with that.

Quarentine works ONLY when followed religiously.

This means keeping the snakes separate for a time of 30 - 90 days,sometimes longer, forever except for breeding purposes is best, washing your hands between handling different snakes and many other standards.

I am trying to get snakemann to learn about the animals he has in order to prevent an unseen occurance, such as illness or death.

Maybe he and others can learn from it.

Afterall, even the worst books on the market say to not mix species for even a short time.


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p.s. The_Omen: a few pictures in NOT grounds for accusations unless you see these snakes on a regular basis housed together.
I do believe I covered this already here.

I will add that althoutgh quite a few like to have pics of all their snakes together, how many pics have you seen of snakes together that were oddly ALL in the same enclosure?

Not many.
Most people get their snakes out and actually have them somewhere else, such as on the lawn, living room floor etc all due to not wanting to leave any nastys in the ones cage due to quarentine confines and protocols.
But with so many pics on different dates and such, then it appears as if the snakes ARE being housed together.

The ball and boa look awful comfortable to have just been placed there for a pic.
The burm and the boa also appear way to cozy to have been just dropped in for a pic which is also evident with the snakemanns own words -
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after walking in my room and finding these two
Not this- I put these together for pics.

His own words gave it away, along with the pics.

Hopefully someone may get curious enough to ask even more questions about their snakes, quarentine times, transmittable diseases etc and learn that way instead of the hard way.
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