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Old 02-23-03, 01:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: keep it PG!!

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P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol.
this quote was from right underneath the pic on the first post.
BUT... i have to agree with what the omen is saying. they should not be bathing together, definetly not housed together, and the ball and the boa and the burm should all be kept in seperate enclosures and contact with the others should be avoided, especially seeing as those all look fairly young and probably havent been quaranteened long at all.
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Just try to be more carefull is all im saying...
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Housing together or no, the fact that 2 different species of snakes are soaking together is disturbing to me. One snake poops, the water is contaminated, and so what if the vet "says" they are healthy? They each have specific bacterium that are totally normal for that species, but may be harmful to another species. And just because a vet "says" the snakes are healthy, IBD may not even be evident at all for 6 mos to a yr, and if it's carried and never manifested, you will never know the snake has it at all. That is, until other animals in your collection start to die off. The ONLY way you will know for sure if a snake has IBD is AFTER it is dead already, by having a necropsy done. Real smooth snakemann, I know you buddy, have caught you lying before. Don't do all these nice folks here like that. They just want to help. I see you still don't care as much for your animals as you wish every one to believe. And, by the way, I DO quarantine my new snakes, so maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't think so.
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Old 02-23-03, 02:15 PM   #19 (permalink)
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i have seen hat he does not house the boa and bp together. the boa has it's own cage. as to the burm and bp together could be, but i dont know.
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Re: keep it PG!!

Hey The_Omen, read before you react. That is below my pictures.

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Old 02-23-03, 03:53 PM   #21 (permalink)
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to conclude this post which was ment to be humurous, none of my snakes are housed togehter, all the pictures, even my boa and ball python, were just put together for the pic.
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Old 02-23-03, 04:36 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Forgive me if I don't believe you, the "Boy who cried wolf" has cried it too many times...........

Water is a medium into which ANY bacteria can be transferred from one snake to another. Which is why when any snake I own gets soaked, the tote or bathtub is cleaned thoroughly with a 10% bleach solution. You "walked into your room and found them that way" ? Please..........

I'm sorry but I see nothing humorous in such blatant disregard for the well-being of your animals.
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Old 02-23-03, 04:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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oh god read up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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P.S.- they aren't housed together, had to say "after walking into my room" to make the post good, lol.
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this post is starting to get rediculous, i think we should state oppinions, but some immature people(no names mentioned), have taken this to the chatting area, and when im away talking about it causing others to believe that i house my snakes together. Please can we end this, i took a pic like that of my ball python and my old corn snake, nothing happened to either of them, and i know that cause i know the person who owns my old corn.
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IMMATURITY IS NOT THE ISSUE! PEOPLE ARE GIVING YOU ADVICE, YOU MAY BE NEW TO THE HOBBIE (AT 15 i WAS SORTA NEW) SO JUST AGREE! IF YOU WANT TO POST PICS, DO SO ONE ANIMAL AT A TIME. THIS WAY YOU DON'T GET SHAT ON!
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Old 02-23-03, 05:09 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Just leave him alone, I am sure he didn't mean to do any harm, and that no harm was done. The_Omen, grow up, and please don't make it a big deal. I can see you have a point, but you don't have to become a fanatic about it. I am sure SM87 wouldn't do anything increadibly stupid (purposly, he he), and he probably wouldn't put two animals together for a couple minutes after all these people spazed out at him.

Guys, cool down, grow up, and offer your advice on putting animals together in a mature way. No one wants to listen to you if you are being a jerk. Now you guys can stop buggin him, or I'l make Jeff delete the thread by saying "Weiner".


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Old 02-23-03, 05:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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>( Yeah guys this did get pretty immature. He knows he made a mistake, and he learned from it. He's only 15 he's still young, he has a lot of learning to do. But I feel that some people do take the quarantine issue too seriously. Its just good practice but you don't need to follow it religiously. Lets just hope that neither of the herps get sick.
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The thing is, you don't know that no harm was done. Once bacteria form a small colony inside a snake's body, it can live without causing any noticeable harm for months or even years. this is especially common in collections where the herps have been exposed to trace amounts of pathogens from other herps in the collection and the immune system now recognizes the bacteria as normal when really it can be deadly to that particular species. As long as the bacteria colony stays small enough, the snake's immune system just allows it to flourish.

Suddenly when the snake is stressed, too cold, is laying eggs, or has some other event which weakens its immune sytem the bacteria colony runs rampant and the snake sickens and dies within days. The only way you know what killed the snake is by doing a necropsy and culturing body tissues and fluids, then finding a pathogen which does not naturally occur in that species.
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I only have one question for all of you in your firs couple of years how many of you lost a reptile not wanting to(died)I was once told 60% of all pro herpers lost there first herp cause of stuff they oner looked I am one of thos 60% since then i vowed not to perchas a animal until I reserched it and you know what I still know NOTHING only what workes for the animals I have worked with.

At 15 god let him work let him screw up let him loose a animal (I dont think it will come to that) after all he isent a vegetable he needs CONSTRUCTIVE critasisume not DESTRUCTIVE.

I am not an angel not to long a go I came down hard on him for somthing stupid and you know what I appologised and I think that some of the above should do the same.
No names given but the adults in this herp sociaty and real herpes will re read this thread and find there mistakes
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Old 02-23-03, 07:03 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Rethius: Chill bud, no need to yell. Some people haven't been giving him supportive criticism, some has been presumptuous and negative. I don't think you should be telling him to just agree with what people are saying, because nobody but him really knows the situation his snakes are in (Or maybe a few people who actually are aware, like bp5000). The point is that he doesn't need to just accept what's being told to him... I don't think people should just agree with what's being said, a lot of people could be making things up and lying. (I'm not saying you guys are though )

Anyway I do think that this is getting ridiculous... True he probably shouldn't have put them together, even if it were just for a photo op, but seriously, a lot of people jump to conclusions and make assumptions that just don't exist. If we're concerned about a situation, I think we should start asking questions before making accusations.

With that said I'm sure he's learned his lesson... and I've learned mine: Be careful what pictures you post!

Have a good day guys... hope everyone chills out.
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