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Old 02-18-03, 06:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The car / large boid debate..

good point dom Hmmmmm.....a burm, a retic or a rock

I think they should be like alcohol you need to be of age or it is not good to your healt or in many cases parents let there kids drink under there supervision ei X-mas, new years and so on

at 18 or 19 a person becomes responsible for his/her actions there for they should become responsible for his/her pet.

meaning a lets say a 13 year old has a burm and it kills his friend who is babysiting it for the week who gets sued not the kid...... his parents he is not yet responsible for his/her actions or his/her pets

just a thaught lets debat it all the under age herpers may have some good points to add

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Old 02-18-03, 06:41 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think owning a burm or retic shoud be live driving a car. Some are ready by the age of 16...this would obviously be the teens who have had a strong interest in herps and show they are able to deal with such a large animal....

But for those who aren't ready to drive a car...they have to take the test again, and again and again until they prove they want to drive that car. A car can also be a lethal weapon and I believe burm/retic sales should reflect this sort of structure. Those who are ready are ready, and if not, then you can't have one. If a person truely wants one to care for and not because they are "cool" then they really would have no arguement to this sort of thing. (making a license for minors a must)

The only real problem I see with this is enforcing it, and giving out the permits.

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I think age has nothing to do with it.. u could be 35, 65 or 13 and still not own a large boid.. the queston is are u smart enough to know how..

The problem with younger kids lets say 17 and under.. as much as they can know there stuff.. THEY CAN NOT garantee they will keep the animal.. nor can an adult but have a greater chance..

The teen will go to school eventually .. get an other jog .. colledge maybe and then move out.. what makes u think the large boid can follow.. there always more restraint by money also..

Basically .. its not a matter of age but more a matter of stability, responsibility and knoledge.. Just the way I feel

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hmmm, maybe we should start a new thread.
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good point marisa but once you pass the writen test for a car a person needs to have a certin amount of hours behind the weel with a pro or a parent I think it is 8 to 12 monts

we should have programs for thos Kind ppl because they dont necessarly have bad intention they just need a hand to guide them properly

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Old 02-18-03, 07:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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when I think of it we should
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as for age for large animals, before a kid can drive he most go through training and then be certified with a license. I figure if experienced keepers of giants, that could convince game & fish that they are capable of teaching others, could get some type of handling certification course running and even show both kids and parents the real housing and feeding costs associated with the big ones. BUT, I'll always be suspicious of any herp regulation laws no matter how well intended.
 
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Well I spilt it like u asked ...

These are great debates guys .. lets keep em like this
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Exactly. Getting to drive a car means pratice...i.e. learning about cars, and how to operate them properly. You want a rock python so you have to take a class, or spend time voluntering somewhere that has one, take a test, any number of options could be implemented. Anyone needs a license to drive, 14 or 41...so the same thing would apply to anyone. I don't think this is outlandish. Getting one simple permit.

And besides, people who obviously have the experience and already own retics and burms wouldn't be getting a permit per snake. But to keep them as a species.

But I agree with reverendsterlin that anything like this could turn out for the worse and it would be very suspicous to most at first. But just an idea.

I know that its bad press when one of these things happens. But can anyone point me to somewhere where I could view a number of times this has happened in the last year or whatever? How often a large snake actually causes a problem?

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i think it depends on your sitution...im 17 and living with my girlfreind, and we found a appartment that allows reptiles. im not saying i own a burm,retic or rock, the biggest thing i own is a surinam rtb. but what im saying is that i agree with how people should have to go though a test or something to get a "licence" but i thiink that as long as you are big enough to handle it safely, then you should be able to get a licence.(or for something like a burm, you have 2 people that are big enough to handle it.) and also a guarantee that you will be able to house and feed it properly.
for myself i am confident that i can care for and handle the small collection i have.
wow...sorry, once again ive voiced my opinion in the longest possible way.
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hey!

I think that getting a "licence to own big reptiles" is a good idea also. Maybe it could be like some sort of a written test that you would study out of a manual but also to have the license you would have to have a certain amount of hours taking care of big reptiles..showing you could do it because maybe you could be smart and all and past that test because you studied your butt off but that doesnt mean you can handle a 12' burm!

Also, when the buyers go buy these wonderful animals..the breeder should ask and should have record of that buyer's license. So that when that buyer wants to get rid of that animal for an unjustifiable reason, then he should be fined or something...because i think why buy it if you cant take care of it?!

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This debate could go on and on.... what good is it going to do?
The same debate can be applied to having children! Simple fix for that, use birth control, but people are too stupid to do that too!
For snakes, as long as there is commercial profit to be gained from the sale of snakes there is going to be a problem. No matter what we say or do there is always going to be a stupid kid that will buy that cute little albino burm and think it's cool. All we can do is stick together and basically do damage control.... make sure the animals are placed into good home if need be and give good advice to those who ask.
IMO if we push laws to combat the sale of Burms and retics it is going to in some way shape or form hurt those of us in the hobby that are responsible owners.
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I think a test and license are a great idea. I'm 16, and there's no way I'd go for a big snake - I know I can't handle it right now. If there was a class or something, I'd be thrilled to take it! it's too bad there isn't enought interest here.
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Its nice to hear that there are responsible teens here nanashi04!
im 17 and the only reason why i would by one is because my bf is older than me and has experience in the field! lol

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good point dom Hmmmmm.....a burm, a retic or a rock

I think they should be like alcohol you need to be of age or it is not good to your healt or in many cases parents let there kids drink under there supervision ei X-mas, new years and so on

at 18 or 19 a person becomes responsible for his/her actions there for they should become responsible for his/her pet.

meaning a lets say a 13 year old has a burm and it kills his friend who is babysiting it for the week who gets sued not the kid...... his parents he is not yet responsible for his/her actions or his/her pets

just a thaught lets debat it all the under age herpers may have some good points to add

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